Kid Icarus Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Myleftboot said: Wasn’t much improvement against a relegation team. Or, we've just played the number 1 form team twice in a row (Brighton were 1 until we beat them), the actual league leaders, and the number 2 form team all in our last 4 games. We've picked up a win, a draw where we should have won, a narrow loss, and a poor loss before that, with plenty of people disagreeing and saying there's been improvement from one game to the next. Today's result has dictated the perception of the performance imo. The mood was much better last week with a win, but we were clearly better today than against Brighton imo. Edited May 10 by Kid Icarus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 Just now, Mills and Boon said: Pure bollocks. I've said today that playing Hall out of position was a mistake, so was signing Woltemade. Talk shite elsewhere What you said was pure bollocks, there's loads of people who've cited themselves as "out" after a lot of wrangling and acceptance of the whopping great list of "mitigating circumstances" and factors outside of his control that are trotted out after the weekly shit show he serves up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mills and Boon Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 1 minute ago, Mole said: The system has nothing to do with playing "differently" You can play multiple different formations and still play the same way. It's why I have never really had an issue with what formation he does or doesn't play because it doesn't really matter that much. It's the willingness to adapt outside of a set structure and find solutions outside of that. The way we play is very limited and never really changes and he hasn't resorted to looking outside of that. Which is fine when it works, obviously he found success prior to this season but when it doesn't you get what you see. He could play 5 different formations but it wouldn't change anything if the general play style and how we approach games remains the same. Ah. So even when he changes it, he's not really changing it. Makes a lot of sense, that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 4 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: I don’t envy Wilson this summer btw. Pressure is massive aye. Obviously Howe will and should have a bit of a say. Having said that, I hope that Wilson and co (Nickson etc) have a couple of non negotiable attributes when it comes to new players, such as technical ability/flair for example (depending on position) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 13 minutes ago, Pilko said: The most worrying thing for me is since we went to 1 game a week (with a 3 week break thrown in) we've looked about the same. He's spent all season saying we don't get any proper training time, we now have it and he's fixed or improved nothing. It's a bit different 35 games in though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 2 minutes ago, Dokko said: Nixon wanted Rayan at half the price. Howe wanted proven PL quality. Howe won. If he stays, he cannot be allowed to make transfer decisions. Which proven PL player did we sign in Jan instead of Rayan? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmesy Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 2 minutes ago, Mills and Boon said: Nah. I can see the whinges from the usual hindsight geniuses in here now. "Why didn't he change it? They were there for the taking!" That's the thing with the Howe Outers, anything and everything that doesn't work out is Howe's fault. Including playing Woltemade in the 10 position in behind Osula, despite people whinging for exactly that to happen for weeks It also works the other way round you know. 😀 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mills and Boon Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 1 minute ago, joeyt said: But we've seen he's pretty usless as a striker as he can't run or hold the ball up I think most people agree he isn't a striker Howe Outers having their cake and eating it with Wolly again. Future balon dor winner and top scorer in the world cup etc apparently Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dembacha Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 4 minutes ago, Gawalls said: I personally would have been a lot less livid with 0 - 0 as we wouldn't have leaked that inevitable goal and throwing the lead away, doing the same old thing and we would have kept a clean sheet which would also have been a step forward. Yeah fuck scoring goals, hope we don't sign a decent striker next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmesy Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 13 minutes ago, Mills and Boon said: WTF? What role does Woltemade know how to play and suits him? How can we play a different system today and only know how to play one way? That makes no sense Because the system we play running/press/cross football in doesn’t matter, it’s still running/press/cross football. Just like you can play long ball football in a 442, 451, 433, 119 - it’s still long ball football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 2 minutes ago, Mills and Boon said: Ah. So even when he changes it, he's not really changing it. Makes a lot of sense, that That's not what I'm saying and I think you know that. It's a change in formation doesn't mean a great deal without changing how the team plays. Formations don't matter much, I'm much more interested in how we actually play which hasn't worked effectively all season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vexred Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 5 minutes ago, Ikon said: Pressure is massive aye. Obviously Howe will and should have a bit of a say. Having said that, I hope that Wilson and co (Nickson etc) have a couple of non negotiable attributes when it comes to new players, such as technical ability/flair for example (depending on position) We are desperate for a proper 10. But would Howe change his system to accommodate one. Which is one of the reasons I'd like change. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 6 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said: It's a bit different 35 games in though. Maybe, but I'm only quoting what he's been telling us every single week since about August. The problem was the lack of training time, so he said. We've had a good chunk of it now, we're still pissing away points, can't defend and incredibly patchy going forwards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 8 minutes ago, Jackie Broon said: That Eddie has a demonstrable history of being economical with the truth and Gordon has probably downed tools. All managers have to be in certain situations. Hence my points earlier today about not understanding why fans clamour for truth bombs. I disagree. If he had he’d not be on the bench. We just don’t want to have his value drop unnecessarily by creating a fall out situation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mills and Boon Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 We don't play long ball football, give ower. Can you name me any side who doesn't run, press or cross the ball? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 Just now, Pilko said: Maybe, but I'm only quoting what he's been telling us every single week since about August. The problem was the lack of training time, so he said. We've had a good chunk of it now, we're still pissing away points, can't defend and incredibly patchy going forwards. What’s training time got to do with the goal we conceded today? Talk me through it and your thought process. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 Just now, Mills and Boon said: We don't play long ball football, give ower. Can you name me any side who doesn't run, press or cross the ball? Most of those sides probably have other facets to them, though. That's basically 95% of our gameplan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 Just now, LFEE said: What’s training time got to do with the goal we conceded today? Talk me through it and your thought process. Perhaps we use the training time to practice defending better? A novel concept I'm sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmesy Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 (edited) 8 minutes ago, vexred said: We are desperate for a proper 10. But would Howe change his system to accommodate one. Which is one of the reasons I'd like change. Bournemouth fans were saying he religiously played 4-4-2 there, with the very occasion change to a different formation and then right back to 4-4-2. It’s like he goes into a club with a playbook and that’s the playbook for the whole time he’s there. Then he goes away and works on a new one. So, I doubt it. But we need some more flexible options in midfield for sure. He just seems to prefer the box-to-box type. Edited May 10 by Holmesy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theregulars Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 Are there any precedents for a manager coming back stronger after such a bad regression? Genuine question, don’t know enough about football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hovagod Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 Just now, Theregulars said: Are there any precedents for a manager coming back stronger after such a bad regression? Genuine question, don’t know enough about football. People will say Klopp Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Dembacha said: Yeah fuck scoring goals, hope we don't sign a decent striker next season. You’ve completely missed the point. All season long we’ve been able to score goals, but we’ve conceded way too many goals and been unable to hold onto a lead / draw and are now miles ahead in the “points dropped from winning positions” table. A 0–0 today would have demonstrated we’ve tightened up at the back. Some progress in sorting out our glaringly obvious problem. Not an ideal result, but a sign that we’ve improved a massive weakness (defending). A 1-1 via conceding at the death shows that absolutely nothing has changed. Edited May 10 by bobbydazzla Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 13 minutes ago, Ikon said: Pressure is massive aye. Obviously Howe will and should have a bit of a say. Having said that, I hope that Wilson and co (Nickson etc) have a couple of non negotiable attributes when it comes to new players, such as technical ability/flair for example (depending on position) Biggest concern is the attack, it’s really bad at the moment and we are about to sell our best attacker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfcastle Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 2 minutes ago, Theregulars said: Are there any precedents for a manager coming back stronger after such a bad regression? Genuine question, don’t know enough about football. Only one I could think of was Howard Wilkinson at Leeds after the slump of 92/93 had two successive top six finishes....but it went down the toilet rapidly again after that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theregulars Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 1 minute ago, Hovagod said: People will say Klopp Remind me what he did? It’s heartening that there is recent precedent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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