Eddie Howe

[Heron]

29 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Performances are what the manager can control though. That’s his input, the rest is a result of that input plus luck. 
 

Of course you can play average and still deserve to win. And you can be the worse team and still defend well enough to deserve some points etc. 

The manager can control elements of performance but not all performance. He can field 11 men and give them the strategy and tactics but they play the game. Likewise he can substitute players and change the above until hopefully said players or strategy work. However, again he is relying on the players to perform.

 

There is a mixture happening at present, some of which cna be attributed to Howe, others to the players.

 

However, to some degree those above Howe also control his capabilities to get a performance and results. All in all, we're performing as a club where last seasons finish and this seasons start suggest. Amongst it and competing but not excelling.

 

The manager is just the quick and immediate solution to everyone in football. Sometimes, it's just a bit short sighted imo and there's elements of it being shown by our fanbase.

 

Extreme scenario (of course) but if we won the league on 1-0s where in some games we never had a shot on target, would folk still be complaining about performances?

 

Alternatively - folk were complaining when we performed well but didn't pick you results...

 

Appreciate this is a bit of a waffle response, but I guess my overall point is that the issue isn't all Eddie and he is perhaps a contributory factor as to why we aren't getting performances rather than being the focus of all our downfalls.

 

I'm of the view that those above him operating at board level and beyond to the PL etc. have created the most issues for us, as a club and that has upset the apple cart from top to bottom - but that doesn't mean Howe is blameless presently.

 

 

[Heron]

12 minutes ago, Groundhog63 said:

I'm all in for Howe. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but I wouldn't like share a trench with some of you lot 😂

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[Erikse]

The only reason we're 4 points off third is because the current 3rd place is on course for 67 points. We've not had a 3rd place finish as low as 67 points since 19/20, so it's a fluke, and someone is going probably to pull away eventually. The more teams in the mix, the more likely it is for some of them to go on a proper streak. If we are going to judge our points, as mentioned, it's all about how many points we have on average and look at what that average usually gives come end of season. Talking about 4 points off 3rd it doesn't really evaluate our points that much, but rather the unusually low score of the 3rd place, which will change over time.

 

 

Edited December 1, 2024 by Erikse

[Heron]

15 minutes ago, Erikse said:

The only reason we're 4 points off third is because the current 3rd place is on course for 67 points. I doubt we ever had a 3rd place finish as low as 67 points, so it's obviously a fluke, and someone is going to pull away eventually. The more teams in the mix, the more likely it is for some of them to go on a proper streak. If we are going to judge our points, as mentioned, it's all about how many points we have on average and look at what that average usually gives come end of season. Talking about 4 points off 3rd it doesn't really evaluate our points that much, but rather the unusually low score of the 3rd place, which will change over time.

 

 

 

Speaking of this season, statistically only, there is nothing you have said here that proves or disproves whether Newcastle could or couldn't be that breakaway club. If our average points is x then the average of clubs around us is also very similar to x.

 

So basically what you're saying is you dont think we can be or are that club which is a separate discussion.

[Erikse]

7 minutes ago, Heron said:

Speaking of this season, statistically only, there is nothing you have said here that proves or disproves whether Newcastle could or couldn't be that breakaway club. If our average points is x then the average of clubs around us is also very similar to x.

 

So basically what you're saying is you dont think we can be or are that club which is a separate discussion.

 

No I am saying that we need to step up our game and take more than 1.46 points per game, because that is only good enough for ~9th come end of the season. Us being x amount of points behind someone doesn't change our results.

 

Let me get this straight - we are evaluating our own points and results up until now, right? 3rd place come end of season will 100% have more than 67 points. That's the only reason I brought that up. What we, a specific team, are going to do is more guesswork, and doesn't matter in terms of evaluating our results or points so far.

 

 

Edited December 1, 2024 by Erikse

[Erikse]

Basically if you your opinion that 19 in 13 is a good or acceptable score, that means that your standard is that 55 points is a good or acceptable end result. 

 

My expectation for this squad without Europe is a little higher than that.

 

 

Edited December 1, 2024 by Erikse

[TRon]

1 hour ago, RS said:

I think he’s tried to change the game plan from high intensity due to the injuries we were continually picking up. Unfortunately it left us in no man’s land. The squad isn’t technical enough to play any other way. 

 

 

It does look like that when you watch us struggle to keep possession put under even moderate pressure. But you would expect that if we had not spent big money on more or less all areas of the pitch. £40m full backs, £50m midfielders, a £60m striker. That's not going to win you the title, but you should be able to pass the ball around without much issue. Especially when you've got £100m worth of talent sitting on the bench.

[Ronaldo]

55 minutes ago, Groundhog63 said:

I'm all in for Howe. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but I wouldn't like share a trench with some of you lot 😂

What a weird thing to say. 
 

Oh and Heron defended our football under Pardew, Carver and Bruce. Iron man indeed. 

[Geogaddi]

We have had a pretty easy start to the season fixture wise as well , we still have to go away to 7 of the 9 teams above us for example , this only being 4 points off third makes things sound a lot better than they are and that's down to the relatively easy start to the season fixture wise .

[joeyt]

Not sure if it's just my thinking but I feel the more options he has available to him,  the more we're struggling?

 

When the team was picking itself like with Almiron and Trippier on the right it was obvious they'd play but this must be the most options he's had available at his time here and yet we've no idea what our best team is

[Ronaldo]

4 minutes ago, Geogaddi said:

We have had a pretty easy start to the season fixture wise as well , we still have to go away to 7 of the 9 teams above us for example , this only being 4 points off third makes things sound a lot better than they are and that's down to the relatively easy start to the season fixture wise .

We couldn’t really have asked for a much easier start. 
 

It’s the performances more than the results anyway. They’ve been a mess from the first or second game.

[TheBrownBottle]

10 hours ago, JEToon said:

See when Eddie is actually doing “shite”

 

you won’t need online assessment and polls - watching us will tell you 

we are fortunate - our match going fans are well educate and have walked a lot of shite covered hills they know what “bad” actually looks like - we aren’t there yet, the support and watching us will tell you when we are. You don’t need to project it, what will actually happen will play out without imposing it on it 

 

 

 

Context is, as you keep writing, vital here. 
 

I’m one of those who used to watch us in the old second division in the early ‘90s.  So yes, I have seen absolute shite in B&W.  I had a season ticket during what was the second worst season in our entire history. 
 

But that side was assembled on the cheap and stuffed with kids (the ‘Ossie babes’).  At the moment I’m watching an expensively assembled side - bought for the current manager; three years is ample time - look like a bunch of uncoached strangers.

 

And our ‘match going fans’ are no more or less educated than anyone else on that score.

 

I don’t want to see Howe sacked, but the idea that the performances haven’t been pretty shite this season is borderline delusional.   We’ve got eyes.  We’ve been mainly shite - and the buck stops with the manager.  

[Smal]

Just now, joeyt said:

Not sure if it's just my thinking but I feel the more options he has available to him,  the more we're struggling?

 

When the team was picking itself like with Almiron and Trippier on the right it was obvious they'd play but this must be the most options he's had available at his time here and yet we've no idea what our best team is

 

I think there’s something in this. Whenever we go on a winning run Howe likes to name the same XI every game. When we’re out of form he chops and changes it.

 

No idea what the answer is

[Gawalls]

30 minutes ago, Heron said:

Speaking of this season, statistically only, there is nothing you have said here that proves or disproves whether Newcastle could or couldn't be that breakaway club. If our average points is x then the average of clubs around us is also very similar to x.

 

So basically what you're saying is you dont think we can be or are that club which is a separate discussion.

Our performances prove that to me - we’re getting worse on the pitch every game.

[Alan Pardew]

18 hours ago, Miggys First Goal said:

@Alan Pardew, wanna come back King?

Imagine the King… back for one last dance up north. Back on the pitch… managing… I think you lot would go mental and not in a good way. I do believe I could get a nice win streak going with these players. Some good ones come through these past years. That Tino Guimaraes is some midfielder. Much much better than the cloggers I got 5th with. Even won manager of the year. 
 

That being said I think Young Eddie deserves more time this season before we can ponder on such things. He come in… and saved you from relegation after the mess Fat Bruce left you in. Then he got you CL football. 
 

No job for me yet lads… but I push on. Liverpool - City later tonight on the telly. Glass of wine for me probably. 

[lovejoy]

6 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Context is, as you keep writing, vital here. 
 

I’m one of those who used to watch us in the old second division in the early ‘90s.  So yes, I have seen absolute shite in B&W.  I had a season ticket during what was the second worst season in our entire history. 
 

But that side was assembled on the cheap and stuffed with kids (the ‘Ossie babes’).  At the moment I’m watching an expensively assembled side - bought for the current manager; three years is ample time - look like a bunch of uncoached strangers.

 

And our ‘match going fans’ are no more or less educated than anyone else on that score.

 

I don’t want to see Howe sacked, but the idea that the performances haven’t been pretty shite this season is borderline delusional.   We’ve got eyes.  We’ve been mainly shite - and the buck stops with the manager.  

 

I think this is fair.

 

I don’t want to see Howe sacked because a) I really like him and b) I think he’s got credit in the bank to try and turn this.

 

Equally, it’s been largely shite this season and that’s on the manager. Carve it up however you wish, but save for 3 or 4 good performances we’ve been awful and if it doesn’t change soon he’ll have to go. 

 

 

[Gawalls]

5 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Context is, as you keep writing, vital here. 
 

I’m one of those who used to watch us in the old second division in the early ‘90s.  So yes, I have seen absolute shite in B&W.  I had a season ticket during what was the second worst season in our entire history. 
 

But that side was assembled on the cheap and stuffed with kids (the ‘Ossie babes’).  At the moment I’m watching an expensively assembled side - bought for the current manager; three years is ample time - look like a bunch of uncoached strangers.

 

And our ‘match going fans’ are no more or less educated than anyone else on that score.

 

I don’t want to see Howe sacked, but the idea that the performances haven’t been pretty shite this season is borderline delusional.   We’ve got eyes.  We’ve been mainly shite - and the buck stops with the manager.  

👍👏

 

 you can’t slag Bruce and Pardew off for years then turn around and start saying the manager can’t control things in the pitch so perhaps he may be only contributing to the current performances. 

[Erikse]

17 minutes ago, Geogaddi said:

We have had a pretty easy start to the season fixture wise as well , we still have to go away to 7 of the 9 teams above us for example , this only being 4 points off third makes things sound a lot better than they are and that's down to the relatively easy start to the season fixture wise .

 

 

I look at the next 7 games and I fear 5 of them. We won't lose all those 5, but we really need to step up sooner rather than later.

 

 

Edited December 1, 2024 by Erikse

[Cronky]

2 hours ago, Gawalls said:

Not gonna sit here and debate that with things like we’re showing around the same position as teams who would love Italian, Brazilian and English internationals to choose from as well as people as good as Barnes and tripps on the bench but that’s been done to death. Don’t know if it’s him or the clubs stubbornness to sell but if reports are true we turned down bids for him in Jan then that area needs work. 

 

It's not clear to me where you stand on that issue, but Eddie's ability to improve players through coaching is being underestimated here. At the time of their signing, Bruno had only 3 caps - he now has 32. Joelinton, Gordon, Livramento and Hall had none. We bought Isak at the time when his career had taken a dip, and Trippier is nearing the end of his career.

 

Tonali and Barnes are the only major signings that haven't kicked on as yet.

 

 

Edited December 1, 2024 by Cronky

[Erikse]

20 minutes ago, Gawalls said:

👍👏

 

 you can’t slag Bruce and Pardew off for years then turn around and start saying the manager can’t control things in the pitch so perhaps he may be only contributing to the current performances. 

 

When I see comments about our squad not being good enough, I start thinking about the squads that Burce finished 12th and 13th with.. Our squad is miles and miles better than that, and Bruce was a terrible manager. Ofcourse we can expect way more from the current squad of players, like I don't exactly feel sorry for Howe for having to work with decent PL players like Longstaff and the Joes when he also has Isak, Bruno, Tonali, Gordon etc. at his disposal.

 

 

Edited December 1, 2024 by Erikse

[nufcjb]

Earlier on this season, i thought it was our defence that was problematic.

 

But the 2 games this past week, we look drained of any creativity or inventiveness in our forward play. And that is with almost all of our players being fit. 

 

Unfortunately, that falls at Eddie's feet and he must accept that something needs to change quicklu before it spirals out of control.

[Andy]

2 minutes ago, nufcjb said:

But the 2 games this past week, we look drained of any creativity or inventiveness in our forward play. And that is with almost all of our players being fit. 

 

We've failed to replace Trippier as a creative force. Even Miggy to an extent, who I think is more intelligent in his build up play than the alternatives, even if his end product is usually cack. 

 

We've gone from having one of the most threatening right hand sides in the country to being almost entirely lop sided to the left.

 

Our left hand side was effective in previous seasons because teams had to over compensate for what we were doing down the right. 

 

The problem is compounded by the fact that Barnes and Gordon are both pretty one dimensional (in different ways), and our midfielders have basically no creativity. 

 

It's difficult to see how things will change without a major system overhaul or some excellent recruitment in January.

[Smal]

A top right winger who compliments Tino (+ ball carrying, but - passing/creativity) is a must really, isn’t it. Tino is here for the long term so it has to be planned as such.

 

A Kulusevski type profile would be ideal imo - doesn’t have to be pacey but intelligence and creativity are absolute musts on that side now. Olise would’ve been incredible wouldn’t he.

[Erikse]

25 minutes ago, Andy said:

It's difficult to see how things will change without a major system overhaul or some excellent recruitment in January.

 

Seems like we would need to sell someone valuable for that to happen, unfortunately. If we've maxed out our credit card, then excellent recruitment won't be an option.

 

 

Edited December 1, 2024 by Erikse

[ExiledGeordie]

The Brentford cup game and the home games against Leicester and Ipswich are massive though. Failure in those games and he’s bang in trouble and rightly so.