Eddie Howe

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12 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

 

You may be disappointed. Howe will (rightfully) always opt for diplomacy when asked about his players futures.

 

As long as he only says it publicly, I don't have a problem with it (a bit like he did with Miggy and Kelly in January). As long as Mitchell gets shot of the players we have to move on from, I don't have an issue with what Eddie says publicly (probably should have said this in my previous post  )

[TRon]

4 hours ago, Maineblue said:

Eddie Howe set his team up wrong imo, most teams that cause us problems get everyone behind the ball and hit us on the break, with Gordon and Isak in your side this would of been quite easy to execute, instead it looked to me like he went toe to toe with City and your players we’re missing tackles and allowing City space to do whatever they want, a suicidal approach really. But I also give City credit as well, Newcastle are flying so it wasn’t an easy game.  (btw we’re all behind you in the cup final)

 

 

Agree. You just have to look at the goals conceded, we played right into your hands. There might be an argument that it was the players executing the plan badly, but that first goal...fuck me. How do you end up with two slowcoach centre backs on the halfway line where just a simple punt takes them out of the game? It looked to me like we planned for Haaland, but had no idea what Marmoush was going to bring to the table.

[M1tche]

The biggest problem is you have to account for your fullbacks to be 1 on 1 with the wide players at times when you play a team like Man C, Tripper vs Marmosh a mismatch. Always should have been Livra. 

[KingArthur]

23 hours ago, Maineblue said:

Eddie Howe set his team up wrong imo, most teams that cause us problems get everyone behind the ball and hit us on the break, with Gordon and Isak in your side this would of been quite easy to execute, instead it looked to me like he went toe to toe with City and your players we’re missing tackles and allowing City space to do whatever they want, a suicidal approach really. But I also give City credit as well, Newcastle are flying so it wasn’t an easy game.  (btw we’re all behind you in the cup final)

He might have got the team set up wrong, but the fact that some teams some time can hurt City playing in a certain way, doesn't mean it is easy to execute everytime. Individual performances of course was not there, but there is also a huge gulf between the quality of teams.

Everytime Isak got the ball it seemed there were 2 players around him. Murphy is a decent player but against top defenders? Not enough. Gordon has not been as good as last season.

 

And all this is irrelevant, when City play like they did on Saturday. It was like one of Pep's boring Barca teams, with endless possession and safety first attitude. If we had tried to press with the same intensity as we usually do, they would have kept the ball and finished us off at the end when we would have no legs left. 
City have Ederson and 2 CB's at the back, meaning if you press them , you usually leave Ederson free, who can launch it with pinpoint accuracy up top, like we have seen That then leaves Trippier or Burn or whoever 1v1 with their forward and lots of space. If you want to press the GK also, then someone has to step up. Schär tried this few times, but City do it so well that when they play past our press there is huge spaces rightaway. So you end up in your own half.

 

Howe will not be happy how his tactics worked, but we were huge underdogs in any case. This was not the City with Gundogan or Bernardo Silva as no 6 and Matheus Nunes at Rb. 
 

[Zero]

No. Genuinely speaking, this Man City is far far worse than the one they won the treble. It’s not like they played magnificent football and we have no chance. It’s simply we didn’t turn up and throw the game away. Even if we were facing Everton it would be a hammering, and that’s why so many people are very unhappy for this performance. 
 

We played like throwing white towel immediately after the kick off. 

[KingArthur]

20 minutes ago, Zero said:

No. Genuinely speaking, this Man City is far far worse than the one they won the treble. It’s not like they played magnificent football and we have no chance. It’s simply we didn’t turn up and throw the game away. Even if we were facing Everton it would be a hammering, and that’s why so many people are very unhappy for this performance. 
 

We played like throwing white towel immediately after the kick off. 

True, they have been a lot worse than when they won the treble. Still they are a lot better team than we are.

Howe has been saying in every interview after we have played City, that their style is so difficult to play against. I would say they are the real bogey team, cause we don't seem to play well against them. Our pressing and intensity just doesn't work with that. Yea, Joelinton or Bruno can bully Gundogan and knock him off the ball, but doesn't matter if you don't even get close to him.

How many our players would go to that City lineup? I would say 1-2 and that is being generous.

[Maineblue]

45 minutes ago, KingArthur said:

He might have got the team set up wrong, but the fact that some teams some time can hurt City playing in a certain way, doesn't mean it is easy to execute everytime. Individual performances of course was not there, but there is also a huge gulf between the quality of teams.

Everytime Isak got the ball it seemed there were 2 players around him. Murphy is a decent player but against top defenders? Not enough. Gordon has not been as good as last season.

 

And all this is irrelevant, when City play like they did on Saturday. It was like one of Pep's boring Barca teams, with endless possession and safety first attitude. If we had tried to press with the same intensity as we usually do, they would have kept the ball and finished us off at the end when we would have no legs left. 
City have Ederson and 2 CB's at the back, meaning if you press them , you usually leave Ederson free, who can launch it with pinpoint accuracy up top, like we have seen That then leaves Trippier or Burn or whoever 1v1 with their forward and lots of space. If you want to press the GK also, then someone has to step up. Schär tried this few times, but City do it so well that when they play past our press there is huge spaces rightaway. So you end up in your own half.

 

Howe will not be happy how his tactics worked, but we were huge underdogs in any case. This was not the City with Gundogan or Bernardo Silva as no 6 and Matheus Nunes at Rb. 
 

I was at the game on Saturday, it wasn’t anything like Peps boring Barcelona performances with endless passing and keeping hold of the ball, I don’t know what you were watching but your not describing this game, and you say it’s not always easy to execute playing on the counter and having everyone behind the ball, but Eddie Howe played like this in his semi final win at Highbury recently, so he’s already done it in a big away game. I don’t even think City played well in the game, it was just the tactics of Newcastle we’re so poor, imho.

[et tu brute]

22 minutes ago, KingArthur said:

True, they have been a lot worse than when they won the treble. Still they are a lot better team than we are.

Howe has been saying in every interview after we have played City, that their style is so difficult to play against. I would say they are the real bogey team, cause we don't seem to play well against them. Our pressing and intensity just doesn't work with that. Yea, Joelinton or Bruno can bully Gundogan and knock him off the ball, but doesn't matter if you don't even get close to him.

How many our players would go to that City lineup? I would say 1-2 and that is being generous.

They have lost 12 out of the last 24 or 25 games, including a home defeat against a dreadful Man Utd team. We also are able to give them more than a decent game up here at home, the pressing and intensity works fine then. That performance on Saturday was an utter disgrace from the 1st minute. Never mind the issues I've already highlighted for Saturday In this thread, the lack of effort throughout the game was abysmal

[KingArthur]

6 minutes ago, Maineblue said:

I was at the game on Saturday, it wasn’t anything like Peps boring Barcelona performances with endless passing and keeping hold of the ball, I don’t know what you were watching but your not describing this game, and you say it’s not always easy to execute playing on the counter and having everyone behind the ball, but Eddie Howe played like this in his semi final win at Highbury recently, so he’s already done it in a big away game. I don’t even think City played well in the game, it was just the tactics of Newcastle we’re so poor, imho.

To be honest, I am pretty sure Howe didn't execute anything at Highbury...

Of course weaker team usually sits back and tries to hit on the counter. But City attack vs Arsenal attack with huge injuries? Come on man. 
City can keep the ball and recycle possession and push the other team back. Newcastle don't have legs to press that for 90 minutes, maybe not even 45. And with boring I mean they can keep a spare man at the back and overload the middle.

 

If you think pressing that system, they had Stones-Khusanov-Ederson at the back. That requires 2-3 guys pressing them (Isak and Gordon + maybe Bruno). Lewis came inside so in the middle there was Willock-Bruno-Tonali vs Gundogan, Lewis, Gonzales and Foden. They overloaded the middle and pushed us back. 5 at the back used by Howe has worked against some teams, like Spurs.  But dropping so deep means when we win the ball there are 60-70 metres to opposition goal. It is damn hard.

 

We usually try to won the ball at midfield. Just don't think Willock is a right one for that and our midfield was overloaded anyway.

Only thing I am saying is, even when we are playing well in the league, we need luck to win these teams away. It's just not "oh we just didn't show up". Our team is worse than City's, by a lot.

[KingArthur]

1 minute ago, et tu brute said:

They have lost 12 out of the last 24 or 25 games, including a home defeat against a dreadful Man Utd team. We also are able to give them more than a decent game up here at home, the pressing and intensity works fine then. That performance on Saturday was an utter disgrace from the 1st minute. Never mind the issues I've already highlighted for Saturday In this thread, the lack of effort throughout the game was abysmal

They lost to Man Utd after 2 fluke goals at the end. Other one was gift from Nunes and other a long punt that was misjudged.

That is what we need also. Luck.

 

 

Edited Monday at 07:58 by KingArthur

[et tu brute]

5 minutes ago, KingArthur said:

They lost to Man Utd after 2 fluke goals at the end. Other one was gift from Nunes and other a long punt that was misjudged.

That is what we need also. Luck.

 

 

 

They lost, how about the other 11 games and the fact that we have more than give them a game at home. People need to stop trying to make excuses, that performance was as bad as it gets

[KingArthur]

34 minutes ago, et tu brute said:

They lost, how about the other 11 games and the fact that we have more than give them a game at home. People need to stop trying to make excuses, that performance was as bad as it gets

I am not saying the performance was good. I am saying that people's expectations with Howe are ridiculous. We have a mediocre team, that he has managed to drag to 2 Cup Finals and to Champions league.

Our squad is a lot worse than City's and maybe we should have given them a more of game, but that does not change the fact that City beat most mediocre teams at home comfortably.

 

This forum is full of knee jerk reactions. 1 win and we are going to UCL, 1 loss and Howe is out of his depth.

[Fak]

1 minute ago, KingArthur said:

I am not saying the performance was good. I am saying that people's expectations with Howe are ridiculous. We have a mediocre team, that he has managed to drag to 2 Cup Finals and to Champions league.

Our squad is a lot worse than City's and maybe we should have given them a more of game, but that does not change the fact that City beat most mediocre teams at home comfortably.

 

This forum is full of knee jerk reactions. 1 win and we are going to UCL, 1 loss and Howe is out of his depth.

Our team is mediocre?

[KingArthur]

2 minutes ago, Fak said:

Our team is mediocre?

It is, especially compared to teams like Man City. Howe has done wonders with that squad.

[Fak]

Just now, KingArthur said:

It is, especially compared to teams like Man City. Howe has done wonders with that squad.

It’s not mediocre at all. 

[et tu brute]

5 minutes ago, KingArthur said:

I am not saying the performance was good. I am saying that people's expectations with Howe are ridiculous. We have a mediocre team, that he has managed to drag to 2 Cup Finals and to Champions league.

Our squad is a lot worse than City's and maybe we should have given them a more of game, but that does not change the fact that City beat most mediocre teams at home comfortably.

 

This forum is full of knee jerk reactions. 1 win and we are going to UCL, 1 loss and Howe is out of his depth.

No people are discussing problem areas highlighted within Saturday's game. I've already pointed out stuff, where you're talking absolute shite with

[KingArthur]

3 minutes ago, Fak said:

It’s not mediocre at all. 

Well, it is. Like I said, 1-2 players would get to that City team. Not even sure about that. 
It's not a top 5 squad by any means, but we may again end up in top 5. Which would be huge success from Howe.

 

[KingArthur]

2 minutes ago, et tu brute said:

No people are discussing problem areas highlighted within Saturday's game. I've already pointed out stuff, where you're talking absolute shite with

Maybe so, no need to be ass anyway. I just have a different opinion than you.
You have pointed stuff out, and my opinion is that the stuff you pointed out was bs.
 

[Fak]

It’s a very good side we have. Aye, there’s not many (if any) that won’t get in city’s side. And just because it may not be top 5 worthy doesn’t make it mediocre. 
 

Mediocre would suggest it needs a total revamp which it doesn’t. Were a couple of major signings away from being a quality side. 
 

appreciate you’re wanting to defend Howe and big up the job he’s doing, but to say he’s dragged a mediocre side to two cup finals it’s a stretch. It’s not mediocre at all. 
 

We’ve got the best striker in Europe and our midfield consists of two Brazilian and one Italian internationals for starters. 

[et tu brute]

Just now, KingArthur said:

Maybe so, no need to be ass anyway. I just have a different opinion than you.
You have pointed stuff out, and my opinion is that the stuff you pointed out was bs.
 

No what I pointed out to you were facts not an opinion 

[KingArthur]

Just now, et tu brute said:

No what I pointed out to you were facts not an opinion 

"People need to stop trying to make excuses, that performance was as bad as it gets"

So this is a fact, not an opinion?

[jack j]

To be fair the 2 Brazilian internationals you talk about

One had a handful of caps and the other was a failed striker before Eddie coached them #js

[KingArthur]

2 minutes ago, Fak said:

It’s a very good side we have. Aye, there’s not many (if any) that won’t get in city’s side. And just because it may not be top 5 worthy doesn’t make it mediocre. 
 

Mediocre would suggest it needs a total revamp which it doesn’t. Were a couple of major signings away from being a quality side. 
 

appreciate you’re wanting to defend Howe and big up the job he’s doing, but to say he’s dragged a mediocre side to two cup finals it’s a stretch. It’s not mediocre at all. 
 

We’ve got the best striker in Europe and our midfield consists of two Brazilian and one Italian internationals for starters. 

Well, at the moment we have 1 striker and 1 that is maybe fit. 2 wingers, which one of them, as much as I like Murphy, really is not top team standard as a starter. 

 

Our goalkeepers are mediocre with clear weaknesses. And true, our midfield is good, but again with clear weaknesses and total lack of depth. Huge drop when you have to bring someone from the bench.

We have 2 decent CBs, with one of them returning from major injury and the other one aging. 

Young fullbacks whose best years are in the future. 

I would say our team is quite mediocre and especially it is very thin. We are Isak injury away from total disaster.

Even if we get 2-3 good signings this summer, we will still not be top4 favourites next season. 

[Fak]

5 minutes ago, jack j said:

To be fair the 2 Brazilian internationals you talk about

One had a handful of caps and the other was a failed striker before Eddie coached them #js

appreciate that and I’m not disputing anything KingArthur said other than our side is mediocre. 

[Fak]

Just now, KingArthur said:

Well, at the moment we have 1 striker and 1 that is maybe fit. 2 wingers, which one of them, as much as I like Murphy, really is not top team standard as a starter. 

 

Our goalkeepers are mediocre with clear weaknesses. And true, our midfield is good, but again with clear weaknesses and total lack of depth. Huge drop when you have to bring someone from the bench.

We have 2 decent CBs, with one of them returning from major injury and the other one aging. 

Young fullbacks whose best years are in the future. 

I would say our team is quite mediocre and especially it is very thin. We are Isak injury away from total disaster.

Even if we get 2-3 good signings this summer, we will still not be top4 favourites next season. 

Yes our squad lacks depth but our side when fit is not mediocre.