LV Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 31 minutes ago, et tu brute said: Why? At the end of the day the PL stated that they were happy that PIF and the Saudi state were separate. Once they done that they’re fucked as they can’t then go back and say you’re not separate anymore. If they even tried to (they won’t), it would be thrown out at court straight away. Not going to happen that boat has well sailed now. Watch them change the O&D test. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superior Acuña Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 (edited) I don't really think the Brighton game is pivotol. Brighton are 8th and we're away. I expect we'll lose, relegation or not. The set 4 games after that are though (Brentford(h)/Arsenal(a)/Norwich(h)/Burnley(h)). Obviously a Brighton win would would be great and a big mood changer. I'd be happy if we come away with a point. Edited November 5, 2021 by Inferior Acuña Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 There wasn't a manager on that list that people wouldn't have concerns with in some area or another. Emery - communication, falling out with players, the one season effect Martinez - defence, Everton record Favre - defence, communication, lack of charisma, ASM rumour. Fonseca- defence, journeyman agent, hint of dodgy used car salesman. Gerrard- inexperience, will leave for liverpool or England. People would have worried about Conte not being able to handle a relegation fight ffs. To me it's whether they can make believers of the players and the fans. Rafa had a fair few detractors just because of his pragmatic approach, Howe or whomever came in will have the same. It's what we do, we are fickle and hypercritical. I see this as a pretty happy medium appointment. He is progressive can and is most likely to unite the supporters not least satisfying our PFM portion of the match going crowd wanting an English manager. His knowledge and experience of the league, prior relationship with some of our players and ability to communicate clearly, honestly and eloquently with players and supporters will likely be why he was chosen over the likes of Favre and Fonseca. I like the gamble because I actually think it's one of the safer bets that will lead us to the next level. Looking forward to the journey, attacking intent and actual tactics. Think it will get a fair few of the usual media trolls off our back as Eddie is liked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 At the end of the day, this is no Spurs-Nuno scenario, whereby he was essentially told 'you'll do'. I'm absolutely convinced a proper and thorough, diligent, process has gone on in appointing Howe, and I'm happy to trust in that. They did everything they could to line up two suitable candidates and if one didn't work out, the pathway was there for the other. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stottie Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 Howe has a great record of overachieving with lesser players, which is exactly what we need right now from whoever we appointed. Ashley and Cabbageheed left the club staring at relegation. Howe will also know other Premier teams, and have ideas on any weaknesses that can be exploited. Howe will not have experience juggling big name players with big egos, but we won't need that for some time to come. Bournemouth had a dreadful run before relegation, but it still took a goaline technology failure in Villa's favour to send them down. VAR wasn't even allowed to review it. As bad luck goes, that's as extreme as it gets. Swap their keeper that season with Dubravka on 19/20 fitness and form and they would have stayed up easily. He saved us 10 points on his own. It's almost a tongue twister, but Howay Howe! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 I dread to think the inbox he's got. From training to fitness, to match tactics to post match analysis, it's all got to be done. All the meanwhile he's got to start getting results on the pitch too. Good luck Eddie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 51 minutes ago, LV said: Watch them change the O&D test. So they change it, what are they then going to fail them on?, since PIF is separate from the state and is a legally functioning investment company. What can they charge to disqualify the owners? Sorry it’s not going to happen that boat has sailed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 6 hours ago, Joey Linton said: "Howe for now" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mouldy_uk Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 Interesting little snippet from 00:55 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 Just now, mouldy_uk said: Interesting little snippet from 00:55 Not to knock Howe as I’m full behind his appointment despite him not being my first choice. but SAF has kept OGS in a job and hand picked David Moyes to replace him when he retired. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 1 minute ago, r0cafella said: Not to knock Howe as I’m full behind his appointment despite him not being my first choice. but SAF has kept OGS in a job and hand picked David Moyes to replace him when he retired. How dare you disrespect a manager who has just managed his 1,000th game. Shame on you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OpenC Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 3 minutes ago, r0cafella said: but SAF has kept OGS in a job and hand picked David Moyes to replace him when he retired. Was going to post pretty much exactly that I'm happy enough with Howe though, SAF seal of approval/kiss of death or not Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcnick Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 3 minutes ago, r0cafella said: Not to knock Howe as I’m full behind his appointment despite him not being my first choice. but SAF has kept OGS in a job and hand picked David Moyes to replace him when he retired. The same moyes that did a cracking job at Everton and now has West Ham punching well above their weight Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 Just now, nufcnick said: The same moyes that did a cracking job at Everton and now has West Ham punching well above their weight So what? He bombed at Man United which is what I referred to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mouldy_uk Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 8 hours ago, Dr Venkman said: Just gonna get this out of my system right now as I will be supporting him 100% until he gives me a reason to do otherwise…he sounds a LOT like Pardew. I don’t mean what he’s saying, I mean the timbre of his voice and his accent. Listen to him talk without looking at him. I swear, Pardew will haunt me until I’m in my grave Thanks for that, can’t unhear that now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcnick Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 4 minutes ago, r0cafella said: So what? He bombed at Man United which is what I referred to. The first person after SAF was always going to bomb, just like emery at arsenal Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newcastle Fan Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 Personally i'm more happy with the Howe appointment than Emery, i feel like he's a better transitional manager for us than the former and hopefully will be able to fix the short term problems that we have, if he does manage to do that then he will earn the chance to try and take us further, if not then the time would be right for a high level appointment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza ladra Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 12 minutes ago, nufcnick said: The first person after SAF was always going to bomb, just like emery at arsenal The first person to follow Steve Bruce, on the other hand ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 (edited) When you read some of the comments on other sites about this it makes you realise we are now universally hated. Fuck them. Edited November 5, 2021 by RS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 16 minutes ago, nufcnick said: The first person after SAF was always going to bomb, just like emery at arsenal Just to clarify my original point for you. I don’t care about Moyes it wasn’t the point I was making. I was simply referring to SAF and his predictions being absolutely shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandy Don Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 40 minutes ago, r0cafella said: Not to knock Howe as I’m full behind his appointment despite him not being my first choice. but SAF has kept OGS in a job and hand picked David Moyes to replace him when he retired. It was always whoever went in going to be hard to follow SAF. It shattered Moyes,but he's bounced back at West Ham,doing a great job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGRM Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 Aye, after a good nights sleep, I still think this is potentially a great appointment. I can (sort of) understand peoples reservations, but you need to consider what Howe did at Bournemouth (watching some of the youtube videos might sway your views!) Yeah he got them relegated (many good managers have experienced that). Yeah he wasn't many peoples first choice: was Alex Ferguson when he went to Man U? Anyways, I think this bloke ticks a lot of the boxes that potentially makes him a good choice for us: Young - tick Progressive - tick Tactically aware - tick Intelligent - tick Not Steve Bruce - tick Not Frank Lampard - tick Not Roberto Martinez - tick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza ladra Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 7 minutes ago, Dandy Don said: It was always whoever went in going to be hard to follow SAF. It shattered Moyes,but he's bounced back at West Ham,doing a great job. Real Sociedad, Sunderland. Took him a while ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 I think people are content seeing as we've just had Bruce rather than actually moving forward and having Howe as manager and building on for the future. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumbheed Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 (edited) Come full circle now. Name me a top manager who hasn't had any failings in their career and started right at the top? Of course there may be some, but the vast majority will have made the step from a smaller club to a huge one and the truth of the matter is that if Howe was employed by a huge club at any point before his relegation at Bournemouth, not many would have batted an eyelid. There's a unique opportunity for him to test his skills out at a club aiming to be a prominent club and there's not many of those clubs about, in many ways, this could be the perfect role for him. Edited November 5, 2021 by Thumbheed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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