SUPERTOON Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 Absolutely ridiculous letting a player play as he feels he can do so and over-ruling medical advice - WTF man Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegans Export Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 (edited) 1 minute ago, Paully said: Absolutely ridiculous letting a player play as he feels he can do so and over-ruling medical advice - WTF man The alternative being what? Grab the chloroform and get him on the operating table? Edited March 29 by Keegans Export Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 2 minutes ago, Paully said: Absolutely ridiculous letting a player play as he feels he can do so and over-ruling medical advice - WTF man Pretty much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Keegans Export said: The alternative being what? Grab the chloroform and get him on the operating table? We paid £35 million for him and he’s rumoured to be on 90K a week - if the medical experts stated that he required surgery then we should have enforced him to do so Edited March 29 by Paully Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegans Export Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 1 minute ago, Paully said: We paid £35 million for him and he’s rumoured to be on 90K a week - if the medical experts stated that he required surgery then we should have enforced him to do so Well unfortunately that's not how medicine works, there isn't a surgeon in the country who would operate without patient consent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankpingel Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 Don't think people are saying we should have physically forced the op but simply have done everything (more) to convince him it was the best and only long term solution. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 2 minutes ago, frankpingel said: Don't think people are saying we should have physically forced the op but simply have done everything (more) to convince him it was the best and only long term solution. Aye, this! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 Tbf, Eddie says there was “conflicting opinion”, so obviously at least one of the specialists was saying he’d be alright without surgery. So it’s not like it’s been clear he needed an op and we’ve just let him ignore it and say ‘nah, fuck it, I’ll be fine’. Always easier with hindsight now as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegans Export Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 1 minute ago, Paully said: Aye, this! Well, firstly we don't know that isn't what happened. Secondly, your exact words were "we should have enforced him to" which isn't quite the same as having a good, long chat about it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 Just now, Keegans Export said: Well, firstly we don't know that isn't what happened. Secondly, your exact words were "we should have enforced him to" which isn't quite the same as having a good, long chat about it! I read enforced but to my eyes it was obvious what he meant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegans Export Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 1 minute ago, Ikon said: I read enforced but to my eyes it was obvious what he meant. To me "enforced" isn't a particularly ambiguous word but OK, if that's not what he meant then fair enough. Having said that, its also shakey medical ground convincing a patient to have a procedure rather than giving them all the necessary information to make their own choice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aiston Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 Well a complete fuck up of our own making then. Quote Ultimately, medical team advised him to get surgery, but he wanted to carry on. He has then aggravated that issue. Letting players overrule the medical team...the fuck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fezzle Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 No fucking way we don’t go that route if the medical team final advice is “surgery” and instead we keep on playing him 90 mins every game. jesus Christ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GEFAFWISP Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 I can't believe Ashworth has done this to us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theregulars Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 To me that came across as throwing Botman under the bus a little. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnonel Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 Love the idea a doctor can tell me what to do and I just have to accept and do it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnonel Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 48 minutes ago, frankpingel said: Don't think people are saying we should have physically forced the op but simply have done everything (more) to convince him it was the best and only long term solution. Eddie confirmed they did try Why don't we trust out manager/team? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankpingel Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 4 minutes ago, arnonel said: Eddie confirmed they did try Why don't we trust out manager/team? Have you listened to the press conference? Especially the second journalists further questioning, Eddie Howe does suggest Botman trusted his own judgement/body over what the manager/team wanted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
healthyaddiction Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 18 minutes ago, arnonel said: Eddie confirmed they did try Why don't we trust out manager/team? Why doesn't Botman trust the advice of the manager/team? Has Eddie lost the dressing room? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHoob Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 Had him playing at 75% all season then this, worst of both worlds. Hopefully getting surgery helps sort him a bit mentally and stop him playing within himself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cf Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 Doesn't sound like a huge deal to me. Sounds like it was somewhat 50/50 whether the surgery was required, medical team erred on the side of caution to get it done, and Botman presented with the options decided he wanted to proceed without. He knows his own body and I'm sure there'll have been scans etc as time went on. Just yet another injury related issue that's fallen the wrong way for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cf Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 Howe's comments though are a little more fanning the flames than we've come to expect. "There was conflicting advice from specialists as to whether surgery was required or not. Between the player and our medical team we decided to proceed without and monitor the situation as time went on. In hindsight surgery might have been the better choice but it wasn't a clear cut decision". Done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Butcher Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 2 minutes ago, Cf said: Doesn't sound like a huge deal to me. Sounds like it was somewhat 50/50 whether the surgery was required, medical team erred on the side of caution to get it done, and Botman presented with the options decided he wanted to proceed without. He knows his own body and I'm sure there'll have been scans etc as time went on. Just yet another injury related issue that's fallen the wrong way for us. You don't know your own body when it comes to first time ACL injuries mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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