Sven Botman

[SteV]

9 minutes ago, Displayname said:

Mimimum 2 years? Just look at Trippier now compared to two years ago. Things can change fast at that age.

If anything it's maximum two years considering how slow he already is.

Trippier’s a full back though. I know he never relied on pace, but you’re always more susceptible to be exposed there than you are at centre back.

 

Burn’s been our best defender, arguably our best player, since the start of last season. I’m astonished folk seem so keen to see the back of him.

[r0cafella]

2 minutes ago, SteV said:

Trippier’s a full back though. I know he never relied on pace, but you’re always more susceptible to be exposed there than you are at centre back.

 

Burn’s been our best defender, arguably our best player, since the start of last season. I’m astonished folk seem so keen to see the back of him.

One should never want to see the back of Dan Burn. 

 

Although, in theory his lack of pace is a factor in us dropping off and that has been an issue for us. This summer should be massive mind but we do have a bit of a can kicking culture so it wouldn't surprise me if the hard choices were delayed. 

[Dr.Spaceman]

9 hours ago, Displayname said:

Yeah people being a little hesitant to give a long term contract to a guy that has had 4 different lenghty injuries in two years sure are weird.

 

I know he was fantastic for us when he first arrived, but so was Willock once upon a time. 

Injuries fuck up a lot of careers sadly.

 

So you think sacking off our better players when they're at their lowest value since joining is the right message to send to not only our current squad but prospective signings?

[Dr.Spaceman]

"Hey Dayann Methalie, come and join us, but look what will happen if you get stuck in a cycle of injuries and you don't play like Beckenbauer immediately upon your return."

 

 

Edited January 13 by Dr.Spaceman

[Displayname]

10 minutes ago, SteV said:

Trippier’s a full back though. I know he never relied on pace, but you’re always more susceptible to be exposed there than you are at centre back.

 

Burn’s been our best defender, arguably our best player, since the start of last season. I’m astonished folk seem so keen to see the back of him.

Dont think we should get rid, just thought it was as major overexagguration thinking he got mimimum 2 years left at this level.

 

Generally I think we should move on from players before they turn 35. So he got one more season for me.

[SteV]

Just now, Displayname said:

Dont think we should get rid, just thought it was as major overexagguration thinking he got mimimum 2 years left at this level.

 

Generally I think we should move on from players before they turn 35. So he got one more season for me.

Surely it’s completely dependent on how they look, rather than sticking to a uniformed, arbitrary age cut off?

[Displayname]

Just now, SteV said:

Surely it’s completely dependent on how they look, rather than sticking to a uniformed, arbitrary age cut off?

Sure, just a general rule. Always room for expections.

It's not really an arbitrary age though. 

[Crimson Cardigan]

This makes sense on every level. Hopefully he gets back to his best with time and wait for it, patience. But if not, we’re protecting an investment and can recoup a fee down the line when and if we secure the three more top class centre backs we’re going to need to sign over the coming windows.

[1964]

How long is he out for with writers cramp?

[The College Dropout]

Move on leaders for minimal fees and not sky high wages. Who played and excelled in 90% of our matches last season. While having PSR issues when bringing in much needed replacements. 
 

Great idea lads. Keep them coming.  

[arnonel]

Great news. Sven will be back to best soon!

[The College Dropout]

I strongly believe a lot of our success is due to the fact we have a team of men.  And I’m happy for that to continue.  As our experience heads leave we do need to get some new experience heads in.  Or just leaders in general. 

[Optimistic Nut]

2 hours ago, SteV said:

There’d have been absolute murders if we’d moved Burn on in the summer. He’s literally a current England international who’s probably playing the best football of his career. He’s probably got minimum two years left at this level.

 

Bit more of an argument with Schar, but I think we were all happy enough with him being extended.

 

This is all fair enough, but we can't on the other hand wonder why we've signed so few CBs recently. Most clubs have 4 CBs to compete for a place, as long as Burn & Schar are two of them then we'll not sign anyone else. Only other way was if Botman was sold which is unlikely now. 

[GEFAFWISP]

10 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

I strongly believe a lot of our success is due to the fact we have a team of men.  And I’m happy for that to continue.  As our experience heads leave we do need to get some new experience heads in.  Or just leaders in general. 

Aye think we'd struggle with women in there, for a start they're not as physical or muscly.

[TorchyTBB]

Really not sure about this.  One lucky lad.  Too slow for me, couldn't see him getting into any of the "other" elite teams in the league and that's my barometer.  Squad player only, we need to sign someone better to partner Thiaw.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Not a good time to make this argument, but when fit and in form I would have him absolutely being able to play for anyone in the league. He's class, when available. 

 

I'd say Thiaw is more likely to end up a sub than Botman, even though I love him too. 

 

 

Edited January 13 by AyeDubbleYoo

[Dan Gleebals]

I really rate him and he has been very unfortunate with injuries.  Time will tell if this was the right decision, but personally, I would have waited until the summer to see if he is over the worst of if injury wise.

[Shays Given Tim Flowers]

Offering him a contract is a smaller more manageable risk than signing a Sven Botman replacement I’d imagine? 

[Crimson Cardigan]

3 minutes ago, Dan Gleebals said:

I really rate him and he has been very unfortunate with injuries.  Time will tell if this was the right decision, but personally, I would have waited until the summer to see if he is over the worst of if injury wise.

But regardless, you can’t let his contract run down surely? 

[r0cafella]

2 minutes ago, Shays Given Tim Flowers said:

Offering him a contract is a smaller more manageable risk than signing a Sven Botman replacement I’d imagine? 

Pretty much, it's only an issue if we've given him a massive salary and can't shift him later. it's a win win as long as the salary isn't daft and we've have guaranteed him his position. A left footed Thaiw clone would be lovely. 

[The College Dropout]

I hope this contract make Botman step up into a leadership role.  
This is pure conjecture but he comes across as a quiet and cool character but not a leader. As the old guard move on we need the likes of Botman to step up. 
 

Burn is slow himself. But I think he takes responsibility in that position on the weekend where Botman didn’t. Ditto for Pope vs Ramsdale.  2 leaders vs 2 players that aren’t.  
 

Pope

Trippier Schar Burn Tino

 

**new young GK**
Tino Thiaw Botman Hall

 

Botman needs to become a senior man back there.  

[Ilovetoon8788]

No idea what to make of his new contract. He has been very poor since he got back. Could be match fitness issues and hopefully he picks up form. 

 

Would love to see the botman we know but seems very far away now. 

[duo]

Can't believe people are writing him off - he's only 26 and has been immense for us.  Just needs game time to get back to his best.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

8 minutes ago, duo said:

Can't believe people are writing him off - he's only 26 and has been immense for us.  Just needs game time to get back to his best.

 

You can believe it though

[AyeDubbleYoo]

This is a really good example of how fans and professional think differently about football. As if there was any prospect of a football club letting the contract of a top-quality CB run down just because he's been injured.