r0cafella Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: No they've always changed the rules going forward. And the loan moves are utilised by other clubs. Including some big clubs. What can they do? They can ban related club loans, who would vote against it? Us, city Brighton? In a way we are doubly screwed if this were to happen as these Saudi clubs are literally owned by PIF at least a tony bloom can do some offshore shenanigans. and to add on, remember, the moment we were taken over all form of sponsorship was banned with immediate affect whilst they changed the rules mid season. Edited October 31, 2023 by r0cafella Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, r0cafella said: They can ban related club loans, who would vote against it? Us, city Brighton? In a way we are doubly screwed if this were to happen as these Saudi clubs are literally owned by PIF at least a tony bloom can do some offshore shenanigans. and to add on, remember, the moment we were taken over all form of sponsorship was banned with immediate affect whilst they changed the rules mid season. How can you ban club-related loans? I don't think it's something that can be realistically done. Big clubs use loans to shift heavy salaried players all thee time and fill squad gaps with the same as well. There's no "fair value" in loans. Chelsea owners also own another club. And soon so will Man U. INEOS owns OGC Nice and they will be doing A LOT of business we each other over the coming years. That's half of the big clubs that matter to the PL. And in any case. We can move faster than the PL on this matter. The Sponsors thing they spotted from a mile off. And even then, Chelsea have shown it can be circumvented. Edited October 31, 2023 by The College Dropout Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 1 minute ago, The College Dropout said: How can you ban club-related loans? I don't think it's something that can be realistically done. Big clubs use loans to shift heavy salaried players all thee time and fill squad gaps with the same as well. There's no "fair value" in loans. Chelsea owners also own another club. And soon so will Man U. INEOS owns OGC Nice and they will be doing A LOT of business we each other over the coming years. In the same way they’ve made other arbitrary rules. It’s much easier for private owners to dodge these rules than it is nation states. do you think think if we signed players on loan from Saudi the other clubs would be keep quiet? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Jinx Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Last update was that he was running on the grass so he must have had some sort of breakdown on it again. At the time it looked like he'd done ligament damage. He jumped and came down very awkwardly on it. Was more a freak accident than blaming the schedule of games but that's an issue as well. He's a massive miss. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, r0cafella said: In the same way they’ve made other arbitrary rules. It’s much easier for private owners to dodge these rules than it is nation states. do you think think if we signed players on loan from Saudi the other clubs would be keep quiet? No. But it will be too late for them to do anything about it this year. Who cares if they ban it in the summer? And point 2 - All the rules they've invented allow the top 6 to take advantage. The top 6 take advantage of loans, and half have a multi-club ownership model. They won't outright ban loans between clubs with the same ownership. Man U, Chelsea and City won't support that. And fair value doesn't come into play. Going back to point 1, even if they do - if we move quietly and fast, it will be too late to stop us for this season. Also they can't dodge them. The other clubs are all owned by the same entity's. INEOS owns OGC Nice and is buying the 25% in Man U. City group own all their clubs etc. Edited October 31, 2023 by The College Dropout Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 5 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: No. But it will be too late for them to do anything about it this year. Who cares if they ban it in the summer? And point 2 - All the rules they've invented allow the top 6 to take advantage. The top 6 take advantage of loans, and half have a multi-club ownership model. They won't outright ban loans between clubs with the same ownership. Man U, Chelsea and City won't support that. And fair value doesn't come into play. Going back to point 1, even if they do - if we move quietly and fast, it will be too late to stop us for this season. Also they can't dodge them. The other clubs are all owned by the same entity's. INEOS owns OGC Nice and is buying the 25% in Man U. City group own all their clubs etc. Getting into major hypotheticals here but I will just respond to a couple of points. Before leaving it to save both our time. 1, for players to be eligible to play the transfer needs to be registered by the league, they can easily put a temporary hold on all transfers pending an update of rules, similar to what they did with sponsors. 2, as someone who works for a corporate service provider, I know very well how easy it is for Ineos to create a subsidiary in a secrecy jurisdiction and to hide ownership. Or they can do what Redbull did which opened the floorgates for multi club ownership. My point being, if enough clubs feel threatened by what we do action will be taken to prevent It, it’s been a recurring theme throughout our takeover. It’s been a fun hypothetical though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 39 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: Why not? They aren't transfers, so there isn't anything the league or others can say or do to stop it. We don't have to pay all their wages. We don't need to spend a fee. Get us the 1 or 2 bodies we need in January for a few months. They can do something about it in the summer if they like but we have to press home our advantages. There’s nothing done to date which suggests that PIF view the KSA league as a feeder for NUFC. My guess would be that the other way round is more likely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 41 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: There’s nothing done to date which suggests that PIF view the KSA league as a feeder for NUFC. My guess would be that the other way round is more likely. I’m not suggesting it’s a feeder. They could lend us 1 or 2 players in key positions without weakening the league. Chelsea just made up a sponsor on its front shirt. We could push the legality of the rules far more than we have. And this isn’t even pushing the rules. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Upthemags Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 (edited) Shocking run of bad luck really. Is there any other team that matches our grievances? Elliot with a weird aggravation, Barnes stubs his toe, we don't even know what's wrong with Botman, Isak can't play more than 2 games in a row without a significant setback, Murphy's shoulder is still lying on the pitch at St. James, and oh yea Sandro was throwing the mortgage on AC Milan games......... Is this some sort of divine balancing of the club's luck after after last year's fortuitous season? (Can someone please cover Gordon, Bruno, Callum, Trips* and Schär in bubble wrap please.) Edited October 31, 2023 by Upthemags Trips Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 2 hours ago, Upthemags said: Shocking run of bad luck really. Is there any other team that matches our grievances? Elliot with a weird aggravation, Barnes stubs his toe, we don't even know what's wrong with Botman, Isak can't play more than 2 games in a row without a significant setback, Murphy's shoulder is still lying on the pitch at St. James, and oh yea Sandro was throwing the mortgage on AC Milan games......... Is this some sort of divine balancing of the club's luck after after last year's fortuitous season? (Can someone please cover Gordon, Bruno, Callum, Trips* and Schär in bubble wrap please.) Chelsea, Villa and Man Utd have or have had a bad injury run this season as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Those sides also have better squad depth and good academy’s. Villa lost Buendia and Ramsey in midfield. Yet they still have Bailey, Dendoncker, Bertrand Traore & Tielemans on the bench. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullyDogs Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 7 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: Those sides also have better squad depth and good academy’s. Villa lost Buendia and Ramsey in midfield. Yet they still have Bailey, Dendoncker, Bertrand Traore & Tielemans on the bench. Whereas we have 2 keepers and 6 full backs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 4 hours ago, Upthemags said: Shocking run of bad luck really. Is there any other team that matches our grievances? Elliot with a weird aggravation, Barnes stubs his toe, we don't even know what's wrong with Botman, Isak can't play more than 2 games in a row without a significant setback, Murphy's shoulder is still lying on the pitch at St. James, and oh yea Sandro was throwing the mortgage on AC Milan games......... Is this some sort of divine balancing of the club's luck after after last year's fortuitous season? (Can someone please cover Gordon, Bruno, Callum, Trips* and Schär in bubble wrap please.) NUFC has had terrible bad luck with injuries as far back as I can remember (though I don’t doubt that someone can produce stats on this which shows we’re just average - it could just be a perception thing). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 6 hours ago, The College Dropout said: wasn't that a Shephard phrase? The Summer of Bowyer, wasn't it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aiston Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 We must have the worst medical team in football. Its the same story almost every fucking injured player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 2 hours ago, SUPERTOON said: Chelsea, Villa and Man Utd have or have had a bad injury run this season as well. Who have all spent far more than us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 29 minutes ago, duo said: Who have all spent far more than us. Don’t think villa have Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 3 hours ago, SUPERTOON said: Don’t think villa have Depends over what period. We've only spent in the last couple of years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andycap Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 When he went over in the liverpool game it looked a bad one like. So expected a few month out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 May need knee surgery https://x.com/CraigHope_DM/status/1720380297613643858?s=20 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 Craig No Hope Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloGeordio Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 5 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: May need knee surgery https://x.com/CraigHope_DM/status/1720380297613643858?s=20 There's hope Sven Botman may not need knee surgery if issue does clear up in next few weeks there you go Craig, spun it back the other way ya knacker! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 How can it take so long to diagnose and injury ? What’s it been now, 6 weeks ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 5 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: How can it take so long to diagnose and injury ? What’s it been now, 6 weeks ? Pretty certain it's been diagnosed, but they hoped to resolve it with physio. Obviously it's not healing quickly enough. Hindsight and all that jazz, but he might have been better having the op straight away. Luckily we still have Dummett Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 1 hour ago, SUPERTOON said: May need knee surgery Be confusing as a Geordie for someone to tell you that in person Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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