Sven Botman

[gbandit]

Give it a rest man 

[Vinny Green Balls]

4 minutes ago, gbandit said:

Give it a rest man 

Seriously. He just had a ban for an horrible comment and is hitting the ground running here

 

once again a Shadow Puppets FAQ is needed for late

comers 

 

 

Edited March 20, 2024 by Vinny Green Balls

[Shadow Puppets]

52 minutes ago, James said:

Same medical department who thought it would be worth letting Murphy on the pitch weeks after dislocating his shoulder.

 

They shouldn’t even be allowed back in the building.

[Vinny Green Balls]

1 minute ago, Shadow Puppets said:

It’s like you are the protagonist in a tragic Greek myth here 

[Upthemags]

What terrible terrible news - when it rains it pours. Speedy recovery to the lad - at least from the sound of it he'll be back for the better part of next campaign.

[The Butcher]

Shadow Puppets is deffo a part of our medical staff.

[RodneyCisse]

Hopefully he’ll be able to help move the Leazes Terrace bricks to Beamish to earn his keep.

[Upthemags]

1 hour ago, The College Dropout said:

It’s the same injury. Poorly treated and misdiagnosed. Twice. Many on here suspected something wasn’t right with him and the knee. 

Goes without saying at this point - Medical team needs upgrading befitting of a club with the richest ownership in the world. No excuse for this one.

[Dr Jinx]

6 minutes ago, Vinny Green Balls said:

Seriously. He just had a ban for an horrible comment and is hitting the ground running here

 

once again a Shadow Puppets FAQ is needed for late

comers 

 

 

 

With respect, what has that got to do with this thread?

 

And what comment in relation to Eddie Howe are you disputing? Has he not left injured players on the pitch? Has he not run the squad into the ground?

[Vinny Green Balls]

Just now, Dr Jinx said:

With respect, what has that got to do with this thread?

 

And what comment in relation to Eddie Howe are you disputing? Has he not left injured players on the pitch? Has he not run the squad into the ground?

See What Shadow Puppets has said about six times in this thread 

[rickyprickles]

Ffs. Cursed season. 

[Dr Jinx]

Just now, Vinny Green Balls said:

See What Shadow Puppets has said about six times in this thread 

Yeah I’ve read it. He got multiple pieces of advice and the club gave him the option to do either.

 

He hasn’t mentioned anything that I’ve brought up in that post.

 

I don’t think Eddie Howe is doing right by this squad, short term fixes for long term problems.

 

No other team has to physically work as hard as us to win games.

[Vinny Green Balls]

Yes he has. Considering what you said about Botman, it absolutely directly addressed that. 

[80]

It's a pity that I'm only shrugging at this news. Hope he's doing alright in himself.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

It’s tempting to think there’s something we could have done to prevent all of these injuries but the truth is we haven’t a clue. 

[Dr Jinx]

Just now, Vinny Green Balls said:

Yes he has. Considering what you said about Botman, it absolutely directly addressed that. 

I said he was way off it since his return. Is that also incorrect?

 

You haven’t answered any of my questions.

 

So you think the manager hasn’t left injured players on the pitch?

 

You think he hasn’t ran them into the ground leaving them open to serious injury?

 

And you think he hasn’t rushed players back before they were ready?

[TheInfiniteOdyssey]

Really unhappy about this has been handled from the start quite frankly. Is anything even going to get better, seems like we just run players into the ground.

 

 

[Erikse]

6 hours ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

It’s tempting to think there’s something we could have done to prevent all of these injuries but the truth is we haven’t a clue. 

 

"Bad luck" is a term that's allways used. Do we know how much of it which comes down to bad luck? The injuries before christmas didn't raise that much suspicion, but nearly every injury after christmas has been suspicious to the point where I can't confidently call it bad luck. "Make your own luck" is a thing.

 

 

Edited March 21, 2024 by Erikse

[Vinny Green Balls]

2 minutes ago, Dr Jinx said:

I said he was way off it since his return. Is that also incorrect?

 

You haven’t answered any of my questions.

 

So you think the manager hasn’t left injured players on the pitch?

 

You think he hasn’t ran them into the ground leaving them open to serious injury?

 

And you think he hasn’t rushed players back before they were ready?

I’ve already answered these that it can be a bit of both. Not every injury may be attributed to the staff, but some could possibly be.

 

but posters like you are only comfortable with either or’s, and claim others are sitting in the fence.

[Upthemags]

Just now, AyeDubbleYoo said:

It’s tempting to think there’s something we could have done to prevent all of these injuries but the truth is we haven’t a clue. 

It's not tempting - it's just natural operational analysis. NUFC are a business, and the players are their assets. The assets have not been adequately protected when our star CB, the cornerstone of our defence for the next 5 years, has been running around on a torn ACL for the past half year.

 

The fact that I (we all, really) could tell many months ago that Sven was nursing something seriously impacting his play says it all. Unfortunately, our negligence might have cost the lad his career and livelihood. It would be cowardly not to protect our players better by overhauling the medical team at this point. And I have a feeling PIF will agree on that score.

[mighty__mag]

Sick of Eddie playing the injury card. There's nowt up with him.

[madras]

15 minutes ago, Dr Jinx said:

I said he was way off it since his return. Is that also incorrect?

 

You haven’t answered any of my questions.

 

So you think the manager hasn’t left injured players on the pitch?

 

You think he hasn’t ran them into the ground leaving them open to serious injury?

 

And you think he hasn’t rushed players back before they were ready?

1. Yes he has, all managers do.

2 All managers do when their squads get thin.

3 See 2.

 

I wonder why he eased Willock back in such a way and wasn't something said about still easing Tino back after his ACL ?

[timeEd32]

47 minutes ago, Lush Vlad said:

Depends on each individual, the position they play, their recovery and rehab, the physio. Too many variables, I think. 
 

It used to be a much more serious and intrusive procedure. The healing time was a lot longer and players would struggle to come back anywhere near the same. Whilst this is far from ideal. I don’t think it is quite so bad as it once was with keyhole surgery and modern day medical science. I bet you can go through plenty of examples of players that have had it and got back to something like their best. I’m just too lazy to do the research  VVD springs to mind. Although he did take some time to regain his imperious form. 
 

He’ll have close to the best rehab facilities money can buy and he’s young. I think and hope he’ll come back just fine. 
 

The only crumb of comfort I can take from this. Is that something was clearly still limiting him and it is good that it’s getting sorted. The drop off in quality was a concern. But always felt like there was more to it than him becoming a bad player overnight. 

 

I've posted before about research done on NFL players returning from ACL injuries. The gist is it's common for players to return to play within 9-12 months, but not "return to perform" another 6+ months beyond that. There's all sorts of caveats on the exact type of injury, the person, etc. but it's entirely possible we don't get the full Sven back until the beginning of the 2025/26 season.

[huss9]

listen to the words... the answer is in there.

 

 

[danny]

I fucking hate this season, more than anyother