Sven Botman

[Lush Vlad]

22 hours ago, wallsendlad1952 said:

As was hinted in an earlier post, will he be as effective after his ACL injury as he was before. If not, we have serious problems. We're struggling to sign ONE quality central defender. To find and sign TWO would be nigh on impossible with our non playing staff and all the alleged  disputes behind the scenes.

On the subject of Dutch centre backs and ACL injuries. It took Van Dijk a while to get back to form. But he has been back to his imperious best the last season or two, I think. He has been great to start this season and all. 

[PauloGeordio]

22 hours ago, wallsendlad1952 said:

As was hinted in an earlier post, will he be as effective after his ACL injury as he was before. If not, we have serious problems. We're struggling to sign ONE quality central defender. To find and sign TWO would be nigh on impossible with our non playing staff and all the alleged  disputes behind the scenes.

Krafu came back good after his ACL. Took a bit of time but he’s as good as he was for mobility and speed.

[80]

It's not the injury it once was, so I'm crossing my fingers.

[Paully]

https://x.com/paullynufc79/status/1854246317481943383?s=46&t=FsEm6VC2ijNnTjHjyXU7DA

[PauloGeordio]

6 minutes ago, Paully said:

https://x.com/paullynufc79/status/1854246317481943383?s=46&t=FsEm6VC2ijNnTjHjyXU7DA

[Decky]

Back in training yesterday I see. Hopefully it's not too long before we see him on the pitch. 

[54]

3 minutes ago, Decky said:

Back in training yesterday I see. Hopefully it's not too long before we see him on the pitch. 

Howe said yesterday that Christmas may be a bit too soon, but he'll hopefully be back in a match day squad in January.

[STM]

Quite hard to avoid the "like a new signing" tag but even if we can get 3 good months of Botman it could be crucial to our season but it goes without saying that I'd rather have him fully fixed than rushed back.

 

 

Edited November 9, 2024 by STM

[Scoot]

Just now, STM said:

Quite hard to avoid the "like a new signing" tag but if we can even 3 good months of Botman it could be crucial to our season but it goes without saying that I'd rather have him fully fixed than rushed back.

 

Totally agree with all this. Can't wait to have him back but if that's january then so be it. No point rushing him back for him to have a setback and then we're back to square 1.

 

Massive player for us.

[Gawalls]

Forgot he existed to be honest, will be good to have him return

[Joelinton7]

Dat ability to keep the press high is gonna’ hit like crack when he returns.

[STM]

I miss those cute little balls he can play into forward players feet. Makes it so much easier to build an attack.

[SUPERTOON]

I’d still be amazed if he plays in January, it would be an incredibly quick recovery from the type of injury he sustained.

[80]

Got to be careful not to expect too much from him for months to come, but have to admit I'm imagining him getting back to his best eventually. Will be an absolute gutter if he's lost anything long term.

 

 

Edited November 9, 2024 by 80

[STM]

Just now, SUPERTOON said:

I’d still be amazed if he plays in January, it would be an incredibly quick recovery from the type of injury he sustained.

 

End of January would give him 10 weeks to build up to match fitness.

 

Do we know, is he actually training with the first team or just back around the place working on his own?

 

If he's training competitive with a ball at his feet, then he will be back before the end of January. If he's not then you may be correct.

[PauloGeordio]

58 minutes ago, STM said:

 

End of January would give him 10 weeks to build up to match fitness.

 

Do we know, is he actually training with the first team or just back around the place working on his own?

 

If he's training competitive with a ball at his feet, then he will be back before the end of January. If he's not then you may be correct.

 

Says he's back out with the team, so competitive? Maybe we'll see more training photos soon enough to confirm.

[STM]

28 minutes ago, PauloGeordio said:

 

Says he's back out with the team, so competitive? Maybe we'll see more training photos soon enough to confirm.

 

Yeah if he's training like the rest of the first team then they consider him injury free and it's just a case of getting match fit but with having so long out he could be miles off it.

[PauloGeordio]

1 minute ago, STM said:

 

Yeah if he's training like the rest of the first team then they consider him injury free and it's just a case of getting match fit but with having so long out he could be miles off it.

I'm sure with Bunce in place there will be no risks taken. Hopefully he's back as soon as he's able, seeing as he is a big miss for us. Krafu took until the following season to regain total fitness and speed recovery,  he is back to his best now, but was "fit" yet not fully up to his peak after returning to 1st team competitive football after his CL injury layoff. Don't know if this is a thing for all CL injury recoveries or if its individual specific.

[Holloway]

On 22/10/2024 at 06:40, Zero said:

Botman recorded one of the fastest running speed in EPL history last season before injury

 

Sometimes people really got misled by tall players body build.

I'm sure he's a bit swifter than was widely reported but this can't be right, surely 🤪

 

 

Edited November 9, 2024 by Holloway
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[ExiledGeordie]

1 hour ago, SUPERTOON said:

I’d still be amazed if he plays in January, it would be an incredibly quick recovery from the type of injury he sustained.

January would be 10 months post op which in an elite setting is ample time given they have specific rehab daily. I get my Joe Public ACLs back running by 12 weeks, kicking a ball with basic drills 6 months, non contact drills from 9 months, full contact 12 months.

[janpawel]

35 minutes ago, ExiledGeordie said:

January would be 10 months post op which in an elite setting is ample time given they have specific rehab daily. I get my Joe Public ACLs back running by 12 weeks, kicking a ball with basic drills 6 months, non contact drills from 9 months, full contact 12 months.

So I guess it must be a confidence / mental / rustiness issue when it takes them another 6/12 months to get back to their previous form? 

 

I don't imagine he'll be back to his best too soon after he's back 

[Elma]

33 minutes ago, ExiledGeordie said:

January would be 10 months post op which in an elite setting is ample time given they have specific rehab daily. I get my Joe Public ACLs back running by 12 weeks, kicking a ball with basic drills 6 months, non contact drills from 9 months, full contact 12 months.

Considering how he seemed to damage it, came back early, and then admitted defeat in March, and that Lascelles did his just two weeks later but isn't anywhere near coming back, would it be possible it wasn't a normal ACL 'complete tear' for Botman and just some sort of damage? 

 

I'm just a layman but both Tino and Krafth were out for circa 350 days with theirs, so this 9-10 month return seems strange?

[Boey_Jarton]

1 hour ago, Holloway said:

I'm sure he's a bit swifter than was widely reported but this can't be right, surely 🤪

 

 

 

Must be the same running stats from a few years ago that had Paul Dummett running the 100 metres on a par with Usain Bolt

[alexf]

Hope he comes back close to the 22/23 version we saw and not the 23/24 post injury version.

 

Because he was a shadow of himself during that spell, so I hope he was just playing injured, although all the sound bites coming from him at the time was that he was 100% healthy and the knee wasn't effecting him.

 

So I hope he was lying because we need the old Botman back. I think it will be next season before he's back to form from previous other player examples. 

[ExiledGeordie]

3 hours ago, Elma said:

Considering how he seemed to damage it, came back early, and then admitted defeat in March, and that Lascelles did his just two weeks later but isn't anywhere near coming back, would it be possible it wasn't a normal ACL 'complete tear' for Botman and just some sort of damage? 

 

I'm just a layman but both Tino and Krafth were out for circa 350 days with theirs, so this 9-10 month return seems strange?

I can’t directly comment on either Krafths or Tino’s surgery (well or any of them for that matter lol). An ACL usually is either ruptured and needs surgery or its not. Some athletes in the NFL have played with a ruptured ACL for a full season without issue, it’s rare though. Clearly there was some discussion over Botman as to whether it was to the extent it needed surgery. I think one of the consultants in Italy that a lot of them go to uses a synthetic graft rather than hamstring which speeds up rehab time (as a normal graft requires time to profilerate and strengthen). 
 

I wouldn’t be concerned about a Jan return at all. He’ll be under constant daily monitoring, his leg strength outcome measures and plyometric leg strength will be assessed endlessly and then they’ll phase hims back into training drills.