STM Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 15 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said:  Every journalist is immediately dismissed on here unless it’s overwhelming positive news. Even when they are right.  Edwards, like most journalists, clearly gets some right and some wrong but he’s been on the money quite a bit this January.  It’s plain and simple for us all to see with our own eyes the transfer window has been chaotic and lacking real strategy. I've seen no evidence of choas or a lack of strategy. Another football manager expert thinking transfer windows are easy to navigate.  Edwards is a WUM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 7 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: He said the Saudis had pulled out he was completely wrong ?  And they had and weren’t willing to return unless there was a route for the deal to progress. That route for the deal? The only route?… The piracy.  Lets not forget our own lawyers said in a court case the Saudi’s had pulled out  Edwards was reporting the same facts as the consortium were putting out very publicly.   Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 Just now, Fantail Breeze said:  He wasn’t wrong about the takeover ffs  The takeover was off until the piracy was resolved. Even the consortium were allegedly caught out with it progressing.  His incorrect (likely Ashley released) Mauriss info was bollocks, but that’s the risk you take when you dance with the devil. I don't think he was wrong about the takeover necessarily, it was more the way he continually goaded and treated the fans he meant to be representing, writing piece after piece simply to tap into the fewm that he himself made, sending out tweets just to get a load of reactionary bullshit. I actually think he gets a few thing right, its just really hard to take him seriously when he writes certain articles as there seems to be a clear bias there, whether he knows it or not.  I'm also of the opinion that this window was always going to be a mess, and anyone thinking otherwise was kidding themselves, everyone we go in for knows several things:  1) We are absolutely desperate for quality reinforcements due to our league position and new found long term ambitions. 2) We now have a bucket load of cash that we can supposedly spend and teams are going to want to maximise the amount they can rip us off. 3) We have to buy pretty much two thirds of a team as there has been such a prolonged period of time without investment in the playing squad. 4) The January window is notoriously tough to operate in, as most teams don't want to sell there best players mid-season.  We we're going into the window in such a position of weakness it's actually mental, they could have obviously done better to this point, I don't think there is any disputing that, but with all the intentions in the world I think this was the way it was always going to pan out. The only thing I think that could have alleviated the issues we're experiencing is hiring a DOF, but even with one in place I think we'd still have run into a lot of the same issues, and its such a vital role in modern day football that they need to get it right, so taking their time and doing due diligence was probably the right strategy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, STM said: I've seen no evidence of choas or a lack of strategy. Another football manager expert thinking transfer windows are easy to navigate.  Edwards is a WUM.  Of course he’s a WUM. He knows the fans are easy to wind up and they react to every single thing he puts out. Doesn’t stop him being right though.  Fans are too thick to realise that by getting aggressively angry and responding to every thing he says, they are generating him more interactions and therefore achieving his overall goal   Just calm down and don’t read it if you don’t like him. But as I said, doesn’t stop him being right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said:  And they had and weren’t willing to return unless there was a route for the deal to progress. That route for the deal? The only route?… The piracy.  Lets not forget our own lawyers said in a court case the Saudi’s had pulled out  Edwards was reporting the same facts as the consortium were putting out very publicly.   Defend him all you want, I’m not saying he doesn’t have sources like I said he got the wood one before anyone else, but he was completely wrong about the takeover, he’s up there with Simon Jordan in my eyes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxst Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 6 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said:  And they had and weren’t willing to return unless there was a route for the deal to progress. That route for the deal? The only route?… The piracy.  Lets not forget our own lawyers said in a court case the Saudi’s had pulled out  Edwards was reporting the same facts as the consortium were putting out very publicly.   “Mr Jowell also claimed there was no evidence the exact same deal remained on the table from the Saudi-backed consortium, who agreed to buy the club from Ashley for £300m 18 months ago. Hence the reason why Ashley was claiming for damages.”  doesn’t sound like they had pulled out, just that the terms might not be the same due to the length of time taken by the PL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, Manxst said: “Mr Jowell also claimed there was no evidence the exact same deal remained on the table from the Saudi-backed consortium, who agreed to buy the club from Ashley for £300m 18 months ago. Hence the reason why Ashley was claiming for damages.”  doesn’t sound like they had pulled out, just that the terms might not be the same due to the length of time taken by the PL. They clearly never pulled out otherwise it would never have gone to arbitration. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 28 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said:  Every journalist is immediately dismissed on here unless it’s overwhelming positive news. Even when they are right.  Edwards, like most journalists, clearly gets some right and some wrong but he’s been on the money quite a bit this January.  It’s plain and simple for us all to see with our own eyes the transfer window has been chaotic and lacking real strategy.   It's not chaotic, it's very difficult to sign players in January, doubly so if you are Saudi-backed Newcastle United. We have to throw a wide net for that very reason. If Luke wasn't such a cunt he'd recognise that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxst Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 1 minute ago, TRon said:   It's not chaotic, it's very difficult to sign players in January, doubly so if you are Saudi-backed Newcastle United. We have to throw a wide net for that very reason. If Luke wasn't such a cunt he'd recognise that. Not just Luke, in fairness…. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 10 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said:  Of course he’s a WUM. He knows the fans are easy to wind up and they react to every single thing he puts out. Doesn’t stop him being right though.  Fans are too thick to realise that by getting aggressively angry and responding to every thing he says, they are generating him more interactions and therefore achieving his overall goal   Just calm down and don’t read it if you don’t like him. But as I said, doesn’t stop him being right. No issue with any of that.  I just don't agree that there is any major issue with recruitment. Its difficult. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bonk Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 1 minute ago, TRon said:   It's not chaotic, it's very difficult to sign players in January, doubly so if you are Saudi-backed Newcastle United. We have to throw a wide net for that very reason. If Luke wasn't such a cunt he'd recognise that.  He revels in playing the heel, especially now that he doesn't have the same access he's previously had through his mate, Brucey. It's fine, he reports from a different bias to Hope, Caulkin, Waugh, who try to lean more towards positive bias. Douglas and Edwards enjoy being the protagonists, let them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonBez comesock Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 Luke us a WUM and loves CUM? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 2 hours ago, Pokerprince2004 said:  Is that the big story he was working on?   At least once a week tells us he is having a a glass of wine. Cheers Luke. Now could you maybe lget an exclusive once in a while. Always seems to be Hope or Ornstein never him  What a shit article. No news and pure conjecture. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixelphish Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 2 hours ago, The Prophet said: Â Â Â This was his big article? Dear me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonScotman Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 With us being away in Saudi until Saturday will that mean there will be no signings until then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeloEmre Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 Just now, ToonScotman said: With us being away in Saudi until Saturday will that mean there will be no signings until then? No. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazzaschicken Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 7 minutes ago, Pixelphish said: This was his big article? Dear me. Just found out he's blocked me so can't comment on it calling him a cunt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxst Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 Just now, ToonScotman said: With us being away in Saudi until Saturday will that mean there will be no signings until then? Why would our trip mean that? Transfer bids/business can be conducted from anywhere? I’d imagine the management team would like new signings to be at the Saudi camp for team building etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 1 minute ago, ToonScotman said: With us being away in Saudi until Saturday will that mean there will be no signings until then?   I'm hoping that we were waiting to reach Saudi before announcing the BIG one tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 Just now, TRon said:   I'm hoping that we were waiting to reach Saudi before announcing the BIG one tbh. Seen a few people speculate this could be the case, here is hoping. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 16 minutes ago, The Bonk said:  He revels in playing the heel, especially now that he doesn't have the same access he's previously had through his mate, Brucey. It's fine, he reports from a different bias to Hope, Caulkin, Waugh, who try to lean more towards positive bias. Douglas and Edwards enjoy being the protagonists, let them.  I think Douglas is ok tbh, if Luke enjoys being a WUM he can have at it. But he got slapped in the face by Staveley's takeover, then took the follow up from the backhand with Bruce's sacking. Now he just needs the elbow being brought down on his baldy napper. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 29 minutes ago, TRon said:   It's not chaotic, it's very difficult to sign players in January, doubly so if you are Saudi-backed Newcastle United. We have to throw a wide net for that very reason. If Luke wasn't such a cunt he'd recognise that.  Aston Villa haven’t really struggled after signing two quality players we wanted. Watford have recruited very early in the window despite big relegation fears.  I’m not saying it’s a tricky task - of course it is. But that task has been made harder by our clear lack of preparation and confusion behind the scenes (Hammond or no Hammond, a lack of DoF or football structure, chasing players who are clearly not available etc. etc.)  We should either focus on the players we absolutely want (Botman, Carlos etc.) and blow them out of the water by paying the release fee and over the odds, or we should have worked on alternative targets much earlier.  Sitting putting bid after bid in for unavailable players is clearly not going to work, especially if we are putting in those reported ridiculous CL winning clauses in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 6 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said:  Aston Villa haven’t really struggled after signing two quality players we wanted. Watford have recruited very early in the window despite big relegation fears.  I’m not saying it’s a tricky task - of course it is. But that task has been made harder by our clear lack of preparation and confusion behind the scenes (Hammond or no Hammond, a lack of DoF or football structure, chasing players who are clearly not available etc. etc.)  We should either focus on the players we absolutely want (Botman, Carlos etc.) and blow them out of the water by paying the release fee and over the odds, or we should have worked on alternative targets much earlier.  Sitting putting bid after bid in for unavailable players is clearly not going to work, especially if we are putting in those reported ridiculous CL winning clauses in.  The window's not shut yet. Let's see where we are at the end of it, maybe Lukey Lu will be vindicated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 9 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said:  Aston Villa haven’t really struggled after signing two quality players we wanted. Watford have recruited very early in the window despite big relegation fears.  I’m not saying it’s a tricky task - of course it is. But that task has been made harder by our clear lack of preparation and confusion behind the scenes (Hammond or no Hammond, a lack of DoF or football structure, chasing players who are clearly not available etc. etc.)  We should either focus on the players we absolutely want (Botman, Carlos etc.) and blow them out of the water by paying the release fee and over the odds, or we should have worked on alternative targets much earlier.  Sitting putting bid after bid in for unavailable players is clearly not going to work, especially if we are putting in those reported ridiculous CL winning clauses in. It hasn’t cost us at all yet though, think we all are happy with 4 points from those 2 games ? Let’s see where we are next Monday. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazzaschicken Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 12 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said:  Aston Villa haven’t really struggled after signing two quality players we wanted. Watford have recruited very early in the window despite big relegation fears.  I’m not saying it’s a tricky task - of course it is. But that task has been made harder by our clear lack of preparation and confusion behind the scenes (Hammond or no Hammond, a lack of DoF or football structure, chasing players who are clearly not available etc. etc.)  We should either focus on the players we absolutely want (Botman, Carlos etc.) and blow them out of the water by paying the release fee and over the odds, or we should have worked on alternative targets much earlier.  Sitting putting bid after bid in for unavailable players is clearly not going to work, especially if we are putting in those reported ridiculous CL winning clauses in. Aston villa are secure in the league, Watford you can't compare us with as they just pick players out the foreign players under £4m random tombola, couldn't tell you anything about any of their players in every season they've been in the prem.  We have been ambitious look at the players we have went for it's been dreamland however the issue is our league position has made it dreamland. We have tried to get 3 quality cbs botman, badashiele and Carlos. You saying for Carlos we should have just went in with 80m offer at release clause?  You can't say they've been disorganised if anything they've been too ambitious.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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