Emotic Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 He isn't terrible, come on. What he is, is a good keeper, but somewhat on par with Dubs (more talky, much better at kicks and throws). Trouble is, as mentioned, it gives us two good keepers to choose from, when ideally you want a much better upgrade to Dubs if you want Dubs to be the reserve keeper. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 8 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said: Haven't said it in relation to the (albeit tenuous) links to Phillips - because he’s not crap. Dean Henderson is terrible and not an improvement on what we have, would be a complete waste. We don’t need to be RTG and pretend he’s any good just because he’s linked. I was wrong about Targett, more than happy to admit that. Was absolutely right about Wood though. Genuine question, when have you seen enough of him to say he is terrible? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Jinx Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 We’ve bid £50 million for Paqueta. They’ll probably reject but accept with a few add-ons maybe. Didn't think he’d be one of the first. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 Where’s that from? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 8 minutes ago, The Prophet said: Is he terrible though? Even with my very limited viewing of him, that seems hyperbolic. I'm not responding to the guy anymore. It's unbelievable man Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey47 Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 (edited) To the people saying Henderson is terrible and worse or not an improvement on Dubravka, what are you basing that opinion on? His year at Sheffield United he was a class shot stopper, and I think everyone can agree he's better with his feet than Dubravka. The year he left Sheffield he was going back to compete with De Gea and I think a lot of fans at that time actually wanted Henderson to be the man u number 1. After going back to Man u, the combination of some questionable games from Henderson and then De Gea being very good again when he did play lead to Dea Gea cementing himself as the number 1. Correct me if I'm wrong. @Froggy My point is that when Henderson has had a full season (at Sheff U). He was one of the best keepers in the league that year and a lot of people wanted him to be Englad no.1. After leaving Sheff U the next season they fell apart and were relegated. Not gonna say it was purely down to them not having Henderson but it's possible it played a part. For me he's already an improvement on Dubravka and still has many years to improve. Edited May 30, 2022 by Joey47 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitley mag Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 9 minutes ago, Dr Jinx said: We’ve bid £50 million for Paqueta. They’ll probably reject but accept with a few add-ons maybe. Didn't think he’d be one of the first. Be interesting if we have and would mean Martin Hardy as opposed to all the other local journalists was on the money last week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 11 minutes ago, Dr Jinx said: We’ve bid £50 million for Paqueta. They’ll probably reject but accept with a few add-ons maybe. Didn't think he’d be one of the first. Source ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegans Export Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 Release clause is £58m apparently so we'll probably have to go to that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 Henderson seems a sensible signing to me for his potential if nowt else. Even if you reckon Dubravka is better, he'll be 34 before next season is out and - despite the cliche about goalies - is very much post-peak. Right now is a really good time to sign the keeper who is going to be our number 1 throughout what is hopefully going to be an upward curving/potentially successful period, even if he isn't first choice next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 I watched highlights of all our games in order recently. Obviously we improved for lots of reasons (mostly rightly accredited to Howe and the positive shift at the club in general) but it was noticeable that early in the season we had Woodman playing, then Darlow and then Dubravka when he came back. You can timeline our improvement in results along these changes. Dubravka is a decent mid-table PL keeper and that definitely makes a huge difference compared to the other two who are for me essentially Championship keepers. But Dubravka is injury prone and probably unlikely to improve much from now. Whatever happens we need direct competition/backup in the immediacy and ultimately a reliable replacement going forward. Along those lines Henderson for me seems an obvious signing to compete directly with him. He's got decent pedigree, room to improve, and is good with his feet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sushimonster85 Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 I think a lot of peoples view of the Henderson/Dubravka issue is clouded by their feelings towards Dubravka. It's only natural to feel a certain level of bias/affection/full on man love for a goalie who has had such a huge hand in keeping us in the division for the past few season. I'm in the same boat. However, looking at it objectively, I'd say as a shot stopper there isn't much separating he and Henderson, which is Dubs main strength. Henderson is so much better with his feet, and only 25. If you look at in unemotionally it's an easy decision. Especially if he does end up costing under 20m. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnes23 Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 On 19/05/2022 at 20:03, Barnes23 said: Looked good at Sheffield United under Wilder in part because of their defensive setup, similar to the way that goalkeepers enhance their reputation at Burnley (low block, limiting of space, inviting long-range efforts from the opposition). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazzy Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 Would be nice to get a few in the next couple of weeks but don't see it happening. It's going to be drawn out battles for most of our targets because the selling clubs want the big bucks! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 Didn't Wilder play some form of "revolutionary" roaming centre back system? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 22 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: Genuine question, when have you seen enough of him to say he is terrible? He was massively overhyped by the media at Sheff Utd, he wasn’t anywhere near as good as was made out. He made a fair number of mistakes. When De Gea was dropped, there was also a reason he only lasted about 5 games (despite it being a winning run) before De Gea put him back on the bench. Again, very shaky and not good enough. He’s 25. He’s hardly a bairn. If he was good enough he wouldn’t be sat on Man Utd’s bench and only getting moves to a terrible Sheff Utd side. He’s not better than Dubravka. It’d be the equivalent of replacing Gayle with Adam Armstrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superior Acuña Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 I assume if Henderson comes here he's getting told he's number 1 from the off - given his experience at ManU. I've not seen him much, but if he's even on a par with Dubs, I see his age and potential make it make sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 5 hours ago, KaKa said: Videos like this are pointless, could even make one for Darlow and I doubt anyone would suggest he's a good keeper Having said that I do think those saying he's terrible are going way too far. His distribution is better than Dubravka, though that doesn't take much but for me it was that spell at Man-U at the end of last season that puts me off him I think a loan deal with an option to buy makes sense as we can take a closer look at him to see if that was just nerves Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 Agree that a loan deal (with a fee) with an option to buy next summer would be ideal. As funds are probably better spent elsewhere. Whether Man United or the player would be happy with that is another question. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingcrofty Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 £5m loan with option for another £12m or so to make it permanent would be ideal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoSelecta Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 37 minutes ago, Dr Jinx said: We’ve bid £50 million for Paqueta. They’ll probably reject but accept with a few add-ons maybe. Didn't think he’d be one of the first. Where's this coming from? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 10 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said: He was massively overhyped by the media at Sheff Utd, he wasn’t anywhere near as good as was made out. He made a fair number of mistakes. When De Gea was dropped, there was also a reason he only lasted about 5 games (despite it being a winning run) before De Gea put him back on the bench. Again, very shaky and not good enough. He’s 25. He’s hardly a bairn. If he was good enough he wouldn’t be sat on Man Utd’s bench and only getting moves to a terrible Sheff Utd side. He’s not better than Dubravka. It’d be the equivalent of replacing Gayle with Adam Armstrong. That terrible Sheff Utd side got a top half finish in the PL and were flying before lockdown. He was with them in the championship promotion too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 This is all the same sort of chat people had when they were clowning Arsenal for signing Ramsdale last summer, who wasn't even as highly rated as Henderson. Ramsdale is now pushing Pickford for the number one spot for England. Ironically, it was Howe that bought Ramsdale through at Bournemouth after getting him as a kid for less than £1 million. People are so short sighted man. I hope we manage to get Henderson in. We need a long term solution at that position and he is plenty good enough and young enough to be just that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 7 minutes ago, joeyt said: That terrible Sheff Utd side got a top half finish in the PL and were flying before lockdown. He was with them in the championship promotion too Guy is just chatting nonsense man Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 I’ve seen him a few times for Sheffield Utd and he looked good, I’m almost certain no one can possibly have watched him enough to form a negative opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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