SUPERTOON Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 Just now, jonny1403 said: This is a mental argument. Ronaldinho isn't a professional footballer any more. And why are you ignoring the 100s of professional footballers who choose to retire at 34/35 instead of playing in the lower leagues? Do you lack respect for Alan Shearer as a result? He could have played for a few years in the Championship if he loved the game so much. No he couldn’t his knee injury and one’s previous ended any chance he wound have had to play longer, he turned down contract offers to continue playing for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 1 minute ago, jonny1403 said: This is a mental argument. Ronaldinho isn't a professional footballer any more. And why are you ignoring the 100s of professional footballers who choose to retire at 34/35 instead of playing in the lower leagues? Do you lack respect for Alan Shearer as a result? He could have played for a few years in the Championship if he loved the game so much. You’re talking about players retiring man. We are talking about current players who have a few years left to play. Not that I’m bothered, it’s not me paying the feckless fuckers to sit on a bench or train and go home without ever playing! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 We'll ahve to let players go for free and subsidise their contracts until their term with us is finished. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny1403 Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 2 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: No he couldn’t his knee injury and one’s previous ended any chance he wound have had to play longer, he turned down contract offers to continue playing for us. Eh? Shearer announced his retirement before the season started. He got his knee injury in April the following year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 56 minutes ago, Disco said: I've seen Diaby play in person for Leverkusen; mad quick but other than that didn't stand out. Always a worry buying players who are fast from the Bundesliga as they always have space in behind to exploit which makes them look good and isn't the case anywhere near much in the PL. Albeit teams aren't going to be parking the bus against us but then Bailey didn't do much at Villa. Good age profile and everything else though and handily can play both sides but I think the figures are overblown; definitely paying extra as Leverkusen aren't as needy for cash as the proper German clubs. Interesting, might explain why there doesn't seem to have been as much interest in him as the likes of Raphinha and Anthony this summer, and also why we are being quite strict with our valuation of him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 1 minute ago, jonny1403 said: Eh? Shearer announced his retirement before the season started. He got his knee injury in April the following year. Yeah but he stopped playing because his body couldn’t handle it anymore which is why he turned down further offers from us to keep playing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny1403 Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 1 minute ago, HTT II said: You’re talking about players retiring man. We are talking about current players who have a few years left to play. Not that I’m bothered, it’s not me paying the feckless fuckers to sit on a bench or train and go home without ever playing! But you said the main aim for any footballer is to play as many games as possible. So why would a player like Shearer retire when he could have played another two seasons in the Championship? After all, you've already said you lack respect for footballers who put family life first. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 Just now, jonny1403 said: But you said the main aim for any footballer is to play as many games as possible. So why would a player like Shearer retire when he could have played another two seasons in the Championship? After all, you've already said you lack respect for footballers who put family life first. He retired through injury, he would have kept on playing had he not and I guarantee if he come to the end of his NUFC contract and was fit to play still, he’d have dropped down a level on less pay ala a Rooney and thousands of other players who have done so just to play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 Shearer announced his retirement a year before he was injured. In fact it was 2 years earlier and then Souness convinced him to stay for another year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 3 minutes ago, jonny1403 said: But you said the main aim for any footballer is to play as many games as possible. So why would a player like Shearer retire when he could have played another two seasons in the Championship? After all, you've already said you lack respect for footballers who put family life first. Where have I said I lack respect for footballers who put their family first? And let’s be real here, again if Gayle was offered parity with what he gets here at say a Luton or anywhere else, he’d up root his family lock stock and barrel so let’s not pretend this is about family. It’s a variable of circumstance of course, but any player here right now not wanted that refuses to move it’s because of money and I get that but like fuck will I sympathise with their situation. We will have to subsidise their wages, pay them up or they will have to take a pay cut. Again we will soon see the pros from the cons… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny1403 Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 1 minute ago, HTT II said: He retired through injury, he would have kept on playing had he not and I guarantee if he come to the end of his NUFC contract and was fit to play still, he’d have dropped down a level on less pay ala a Rooney and thousands of other players who have done so just to play. I mean you can't guarantee that at all can you? You have no idea if Shearer would have wanted to play in the Championship. What are your thoughts on Mark Noble retiring to spend more time with his family instead of playing in the lower leagues? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 1 minute ago, jonny1403 said: I mean you can't guarantee that at all can you? You have no idea if Shearer would have wanted to play in the Championship. What are your thoughts on Mark Noble retiring to spend more time with his family instead of playing in the lower leagues? Again, your are talking about players retiring, those who are not wanted here are nowhere nearing retirement man! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 26 minutes ago, HTT II said: We are not talking about 38 year olds here. And to use a 37 year old, Ronaldo. He is the wealthiest footballer on the planet and wants to play every game, every minute and trains so hard because he’s dedicated to the job of being a footballer which he’s dedicated all his life too. It’s about mentality and I refuse to respect any footballer whatever the circumstances who are happy to just pick up a salary and not play. A waste of a squad number, a shirt and money. Ronaldo is ego-driven to achieve success, trophies and personal accolades. Granted, that’s massively contributed in making him the player he has been, but it’s not because of his love of the beautiful game or any particular club. Turns out Man Utd are shite now and probably unlikely to win much, see you later lads. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny1403 Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 Just now, HTT II said: Where have I said I lack respect for footballers who put their family first? And let’s be real here, again if Gayle was offered parity with what he gets here at say a Luton or anywhere else, he’d up root his family lock stock and barrel so let’s not pretend this is about family. It’s a variable of circumstance of course, but any player here right now not wanted that refuses to move it’s because of money and I get that but like fuck will I sympathise with their situation. We will have to subsidise their wages, pay them up or they will have to take a pay cut. Again we will soon see the pros from the cons… You've said it multiple times: Quote If any of our redundant players had anything about them, they’d move to get game time, even if it comes at a cost to their pay packet. You need a sense of purpose in your life and if you’ve trained all your life to become good enough to play football at a high level or standard, to just give all that up? It's incredibly odd that you refuse to acknowledge that a footballer might be settled in a particular area of the country and not want to move his kids/be away from his kids to play in fucking Luton. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 of course there's no immutable law of the universe around players deciding to hang it up or take a paycut for a move and/or a lower league this is horrible Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 1 minute ago, jonny1403 said: You've said it multiple times: It's incredibly odd that you refuse to acknowledge that a footballer might be settled in a particular area of the country and not want to move his kids/be away from his kids to play in fucking Luton. Quote me and ££££ and they will move on… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny1403 Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 1 minute ago, HTT II said: Again, your are talking about players retiring, those who are not wanted here are nowhere nearing retirement man! But it's the same point. You've said multiple times players should play as much as possible in their career and that should be the only consideration. Mark Noble could easily have got a Championship contract but retired to spend more time with his kids. Therefore I assume you lack respect for him as well? How is Ciaran Clark, 33 in September, nowhere near retirement? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 Ciaran Clark is past his peak earning days for sure. This contract is likely the biggest he'll ever get going forward and if I was him, i'd not move unless that money was guaranteed, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 1 hour ago, SUPERTOON said: So they just stay and sponge of the club with no desire to actually play football ? Contracts work both ways. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 4 minutes ago, jonny1403 said: But it's the same point. You've said multiple times players should play as much as possible in their career and that should be the only consideration. Mark Noble could easily have got a Championship contract but retired to spend more time with his kids. Therefore I assume you lack respect for him as well? How is Ciaran Clark, 33 in September, nowhere near retirement? Noble obviously wanted to retire, let’s see if Clark wants to, or Gayle or Ritchie… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 Link to that Hayden interview I mentioned. Can’t be arsed to find out whereabouts in it he speaks about players moving on, but it’s in there somewhere. Whole thing was a fairly decent listen anyway: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/if-newcastle-dont-want-me-or-want-to-sell-me-then-that/id1464558689?i=1000546871907 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny1403 Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, HTT II said: Noble obviously wanted to retire, let’s see if Clark wants to, or Gayle or Ritchie… Why is retiring to spend more time with your family different to seeing out your contract at NUFC because you want to spend more time with your family instead of moving away to Stoke? Let's face it, this all comes down to people wanting more money for NUFC to spend on players without acknowledging that the players themselves have their own concerns. Nobody really gives a shit about Clark "making the most of his career" by playing a couple more seasons in the Championship. Edited July 4, 2022 by jonny1403 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 3 minutes ago, SteV said: Link to that Hayden interview I mentioned. Can’t be arsed to find out whereabouts in it he speaks about players moving on, but it’s in there somewhere. Whole thing was a fairly decent listen anyway: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/if-newcastle-dont-want-me-or-want-to-sell-me-then-that/id1464558689?i=1000546871907 Based off the timemarks in the description it must be about 27th minute Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bondedcrown Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 There goes the topic! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 1 minute ago, jonny1403 said: Why is retiring to spend more time with your family different to seeing out your contract at NUFC because you want to spend more time with your family instead of moving away to Stoke? Let's face it, this all comes down to people wanting more money for NUFC to spend on players without acknowledging that the players themselves have their own concerns. I couldn’t give a shit about how much we spend or not, it’s about us paying people to do fuck all and them willing to take money over their career. I will say this again, if any club offered parity of pay for anyone of our unwanted players, they’d soon fuck off. You seem in denial and very naive. Players retire due to injury or because they’ve had their time and WANT to retire. It’s two totally different scenarios and as a family man I’m all for wanting to spend time with my family and not have to uproot them if I can, but life isn’t like a box of chocolates. I’m sure if I had to uproot my family even if it meant less pay, we are all mentally and functionally suited to deal with such stuff. If I’m a pro footballer, whether 21 or 33 of I’m fit, I wanna play. If it’s at NUFC for 50k a week or Luton on 10k a week. But that’s just me! Personal pride, personal satisfaction! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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