PlymouthGeordie Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 On 10/07/2022 at 20:02, gdm said: Just as well (by all accounts) the club don’t see it the way you do Expand Each to their own. You obviously enjoy the sight of Shelvey and Longstaff running through treacle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 On 10/07/2022 at 19:19, midds said: We simply don't have the time or the cash to solve all of the problems in a window or 2. We're going to have to accept as fans the fact that we're still going to be a bit short in a few areas for a few years yet, we absolutely will pick up injuries and suspensions this year and we've not got the squad to cope with it yet. Jumping from relegation fodder to pushing for Europe is a 3 year deal imo, we're going to have to dip deep into the squad and the strengthening needs to be a medium term thing. I'm ruling out pushing for top 4 or top 6 or whatever. I would like more points, more goals, fewer conceded and more clean sheets next year. If that happens I'll be more than happy. Setting expectations that are clearly not achievable with the squad we currently have will only lead to frustration and disappointment. They're investing more cash into the team and the club than we've ever seen before. Please don't have pops at them if player x or player y doesn't sign, they're demonstrably doing their best. Expand I think that's a decent attitude to have, but I still think if players of top calibre become available within our wage structure, we'll find the money to make it happen. Paqueta and Diaby certainly fall in that category of you grab them while you can. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 When we signing Asensio? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 On 10/07/2022 at 20:32, TRon said: I think that's a decent attitude to have, but I still think if players of top calibre become available within our wage structure, we'll find the money to make it happen. Paqueta and Diaby certainly fall in that category of you grab them while you can. Expand Don't get me wrong, I'd like as many quality players in the squad as possible and if Paqueta becomes available and the money is there then I'd love to see him in a black and white shirt. Same goes for Diaby. But I'll not lose my shit and moan like fuck if Almiron, Fraser, Shelvey and Longstaff are playing because Paqueta and Diaby were unaffordable. It's a gradual process we're embarking on here and it'll take a few years before we have strength in depth in all positions Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 On 10/07/2022 at 20:31, PlymouthGeordie said: Each to their own. You obviously enjoy the sight of Shelvey and Longstaff running through treacle. Expand You obviously enjoy the sight of Almiron turning back and causing no threat at all and don’t get me started on Murphy’s shooting and decision making Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzz Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 On 10/07/2022 at 20:03, Bimpy474 said: Double pivot ffs, new fangald bollocks for two hard working central midfielders who do the lot. Cover each other, one goes the other stays, pretty simple really. Sorry old school here. Expand May as well have just kept Bruce eh? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 On 10/07/2022 at 20:41, midds said: Don't get me wrong, I'd like as many quality players in the squad as possible and if Paqueta becomes available and the money is there then I'd love to see him in a black and white shirt. Same goes for Diaby. But I'll not lose my shit and moan like fuck if Almiron, Fraser, Shelvey and Longstaff are playing because Paqueta and Diaby were unaffordable. It's a gradual process we're embarking on here and it'll take a few years before we have strength in depth in all positions Expand Not many are, it was just a hypothetical either/or, not a demand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 On 10/07/2022 at 20:43, gdm said: You obviously enjoy the sight of Almiron turning back and causing no threat at all and don’t get me started on Murphy’s shooting and decision making Expand Nobody enjoys either but if we can do away with one and replace with a particular player.....which is to the most benefit of the team ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 On 10/07/2022 at 20:44, madras said: Not many are, it was just a hypothetical either/or, not a demand. Expand I know. It's also a hypothetical neither too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 On 10/07/2022 at 20:47, midds said: I know. It's also a hypothetical neither too. Expand Would that make it an either/or/maybe ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlies Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 https://youtu.be/VH_Tt-_PSes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlymouthGeordie Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 On 10/07/2022 at 20:43, gdm said: You obviously enjoy the sight of Almiron turning back and causing no threat at all and don’t get me started on Murphy’s shooting and decision making Expand At least they compete athletically and physically. It is a minimum requirement of top level football and regrettably Shelvey and Longstaff struggle with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 (edited) On 10/07/2022 at 20:49, PlymouthGeordie said: At least they compete athletically and physically. It is a minimum requirement of top level football and regrettably Shelvey and Longstaff struggle with it. Expand True. Ideal world we get Paqueta & Diaby. Not gonna happen tho imo. I actually struggle to believe we’ll get either of them Edited July 10, 2022 by gdm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 On 10/07/2022 at 20:41, midds said: Don't get me wrong, I'd like as many quality players in the squad as possible and if Paqueta becomes available and the money is there then I'd love to see him in a black and white shirt. Same goes for Diaby. But I'll not lose my shit and moan like fuck if Almiron, Fraser, Shelvey and Longstaff are playing because Paqueta and Diaby were unaffordable. It's a gradual process we're embarking on here and it'll take a few years before we have strength in depth in all positions Expand Yep. We need to keep our feet on the ground especially considering Big 6 clubs will be competing with us, but don't rule anything out if the right players become available this window. As pointed out by @Optimistic Nut Asensio is in the mix as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlymouthGeordie Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 On 10/07/2022 at 20:53, gdm said: True. Ideal world we get Paqueta & Diaby. Not gonna happen tho imo. I actually struggle to believe we’ll get either of them Expand Now that I agree on. My big hope is we don't splurge big on DCL, Gordon or Harrison as Howe does like British players but they're often overhyped and over priced. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 I think the biggest obstacle with Diaby will be convincing the player, with Paqueta thr biggest obstacle will be the fee. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 On 10/07/2022 at 21:01, The Prophet said: I think the biggest obstacle with Diaby will be convincing the player, with Paqueta thr biggest obstacle will be the fee. Expand Diaby is being quoted as being dearer than Paqueta Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 On 10/07/2022 at 21:04, gdm said: Diaby is being quoted as being dearer than Paqueta Expand It seems to depends on the source. I've read everything from £35 million to £60 million. I think if we offered £40 million Leverkusen would listen, as that's a fair price for him. He's not a £50 million to £60 million player, not yet anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 On 10/07/2022 at 16:12, Jackie Broon said: And Eriksen, and Tielemans. That creative midfield position definitely seems to be one that we are after if those links were correct. Expand I don’t think it’s necessarily about us specifically chasing a creative midfielder, I just think we’re open to any player who is available and improve us. Eriksen and Tielemans fit both of that criteria. An improvement and readily available. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemtizz Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 Diaby + striker > Paq, but imagine we got all 3. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 On 10/07/2022 at 21:10, Fantail Breeze said: I don’t think it’s necessarily about us specifically chasing a creative midfielder, I just think we’re open to any player who is available and improve us. Eriksen and Tielemans fit both of that criteria. An improvement and readily available. Expand Yes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 On 10/07/2022 at 21:11, nemtizz said: Diaby + striker > Paq, but imagine we got all 3. Expand Be certainly pushing top 6 with all 3. Think the former will get us as 'best of the rest' but Paqueta on top would definitely have us right up there. Issue is the cost that would be, especially on top of what we've already spent in the last year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 Paqueta and Asensio means we’ll be sorted. Vibe based football Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 On 10/07/2022 at 20:01, PlymouthGeordie said: I don't see RW as a priority. We have Murphy, Fraser and Almiron all of whom could play there. Are they top 6 standard? No, but they all offer something different and graft for the team. It's good enough for another season. You could even add Joelinton to that list. A CM could transform us from a counter attacking team to one that keeps possession and controls games. As someone else has said, it also allows us to stay strong in that department should Bruno get injured or suspended. If it was a straight choice, I'd want Pacueta over Diaby. Expand My concern with this is that we may end up having possession and not having the outlets to take advantage of it. I predict we're already going to see a lot more opponents set themselves up conservatively against us, knowing what we've turned into since this time last year. The more we bring the possession onus onto ourselves, the more we'll need top class incisiveness up top to apply the coup de grace. I back Wilson for that, but Wood? Almiron? Murphy? Fraser? Saint Maximin? I'm not so certain. Which could lead to a lot of frustrating draws and Everton away style results. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 (edited) On 10/07/2022 at 22:09, 80 said: My concern with this is that we may end up having possession and not having the outlets to take advantage of it. I predict we're already going to see a lot more opponents set themselves up conservatively against us, knowing what we've turned into since this time last year. The more we bring the possession onus onto ourselves, the more we'll need top class incisiveness up top to apply the coup de grace. I back Wilson for that, but Wood? Almiron? Murphy? Fraser? Saint Maximin? I'm not so certain. Which could lead to a lot of frustrating draws and Everton away style results. Expand That's why we need 3 players, a quality CM to allow our midfield to take control of games, supply the wings, whilst also getting a fair amount of assists and goals. A quality right winger, because the players we have there are just not good enough. And finally a centre forward of a decent level of quality (either young or established), as unfortunately you cannot rely on Wilson to be fit for even much more than half the season, never mind the majority of it. I'm pretty confident we will get players for all 3 positions. Time will tell though if we actually do. Edited July 10, 2022 by et tu brute Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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