More transfer rumours

[Guest HTT II]

3 minutes ago, jonny1403 said:

Such a simplistic argument. It's like any job consideration. What if his wife loves the area or his kids are happy at school/about to take exams and he doesn't fancy moving them halfway across the country? What if he's worried about an injury and only being offered a 1 year deal at Stoke or Wigan? What if he just fancies an easy 1 year training and seeing out his contract, before then considering options next year. 

 

None of us have any ideas into his mindset and it is clearly not the case that the preferred option should always be "play as much football as possible all the time" 

They don’t have to move their family away, there are lots of variables I would agree, but if it was me, I’d want to play, especially towards the end of my career. I just can’t comprehend a mentality that would, after what 20 years or so of sacrifices to become a footballer, to be like ah I think I’ll sit this out. Training enough is gruelling, I’d want to play if I’m putting that level of effort in. We’ll soon see the pros from the cons…

 

 

Edited July 4, 2022 by HTT II

[SUPERTOON]

11 minutes ago, jonny1403 said:

 

It says nothing about the type of person they are other than that they are sensible and financially responsible. I'd imagine he'd take a 50% pay cut in the Championship. It's such a simplistic argument to say "oh he's rich anyway, he can easily take a cut". Would you take a 50% pay cut in your job?

It’s an absolutely ridiculous argument to compare any part of football with a normal job. Of course I wouldn’t take a 50% pay cut but I’m not a multi millionaire, and nor would I still be paid a fortune if I took the pay cut.

[SteV]

I think there’s a lot more to it than being about whether players will ‘take a pay cut’.

 

I seem to remember Hayden speaking about it in that (good) lengthy interview he did with some podcast people I’d never heard of before or since.

 

To paraphrase him he said people think it’s just like playing Championship Manager and you can just ship a player out whenever you want, but they don’t realise that players often have young families, so any move (regardless of finances) has to be right for them too. Are they happy to move away from any family/support network? Are they happy to move their kids school etc.

 

Everyone was going mad at Clark not taking a loan move in January. But maybe he didn’t want to spend 5/6 days a week away from his kids (assuming he has some) just to play for a team for 5 months when there was a reasonable chance he might not sign for them anyway.

[jonny1403]

2 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

It’s an absolutely ridiculous argument to compare any part of football with a normal job. Of course I wouldn’t take a 50% pay cut but I’m not a multi millionaire, and nor would I still be paid a fortune if I took the pay cut.

 

So your argument is that rich people shouldn't care which job they take because even if they lose half their salary they'll still be rich and won't care? That's insane  Obviously people want to earn as much as they can in the short career they have. People don't stop caring about their finances when they become rich. Football players should care more in fact when they turn 30 because it's one of the only professions where you know you will be taking the biggest pay cut of your life in a few years anyway. 

 

4 minutes ago, SteV said:

I think there’s a lot more to it than being about whether players will ‘take a pay cut’.

 

I seem to remember Hayden speaking about it in that (good) lengthy interview he did with some podcast people I’d never heard of before or since.

 

To paraphrase him he said people think it’s just like playing Championship Manager and you can just ship a player out whenever you want, but they don’t realise that players often have young families, so any move (regardless of finances) has to be right for them too. Are they happy to move away from any family/support network? Are they happy to move their kids school etc.

 

Everyone was going mad at Clark not taking a loan move in January. But maybe he didn’t want to spend 5/6 days a week away from his kids (assuming he has some) just to play for a team for 5 months when there was a reasonable chance he might not sign for them anyway.

 

Exactly this. But HTT seems to be saying he should be happy not to see his kids grow up 90% of the time to spend a year at Stoke in the Championship because he "can't think of anything worse than not playing".

[SUPERTOON]

1 minute ago, jonny1403 said:

 

So your argument is that rich people shouldn't care which job they take because even if they lose half their salary they'll still be rich and won't care? That's insane  Obviously people want to earn as much as they can in the short career they have. People don't stop caring about their finances when they become rich. Football players should care more in fact when they turn 30 because it's one of the only professions where you know you will be taking the biggest pay cut of your life in a few years anyway. 

 

 

Exactly this. But HTT seems to be saying he should be happy not to see his kids grow up 90% of the time to spend a year at Stoke in the Championship because he "can't think of anything worse than not playing".

I didn’t say rich people shouldn’t care I was saying you comparing it with a normal job was a ridiculous argument, which it is. 

[Guest HTT II]

2 minutes ago, jonny1403 said:

 

So your argument is that rich people shouldn't care which job they take because even if they lose half their salary they'll still be rich and won't care? That's insane  Obviously people want to earn as much as they can in the short career they have. People don't stop caring about their finances when they become rich. Football players should care more in fact when they turn 30 because it's one of the only professions where you know you will be taking the biggest pay cut of your life in a few years anyway. 

 

 

Exactly this. But HTT seems to be saying he should be happy not to see his kids grow up 90% of the time to spend a year at Stoke in the Championship because he "can't think of anything worse than not playing".

They rarely see their kids anyway due to their football career. Again, I know there are lots of variables and many valid ones, but ask yourself this, if you had dedicated 20 years or so to your profession, were already a multi millionaire, would you not want to play the sport you gave so much up for as a kid and teenager to continue even if you had to take a pay cut? 

 

 

Edited July 4, 2022 by HTT II

[SUPERTOON]

Just now, HTT II said:

They rarely see their kids anyway due to their football career. Again, I know there are lots of variables and many valid ones, but ask yourself this, if you had dedicated 2k years or so to your profession, we’re already a multi millionaire, would you not want to play the sport you gave so much up for as a kid and teenager to continue even if you had to take a pay cut? 

Anyone who has played any sort of football or sport would do anything they could to play for as long as possible l, especially professionals. 

[jonny1403]

1 minute ago, HTT II said:

They rarely see their kids anyway due to their football career. Again, I know there are lots of variables and many valid ones, but ask yourself this, if you had dedicated 20 years or so to your profession, were already a multi millionaire, would you not want to play the sport you gave so much up for as a kid and teenager to continue even if you had to take a pay cut? 

 

 

 

 

My point is that there are a range of factors to consider. You're completely right that playing as much football as you can is a big factor, but it doesn't automatically override others such as finances, family life, injury concerns etc.

 

If playing football was the be all and end all why does every PL footballer not end up playing in League Two at the age of 38? A couple do but most retire at a PL/champ team because playing away at Northampton Town with cloggers smashing you every week probably isn't as appealing as you seem to think it is.

[Guest HTT II]

In the end if a player doesn’t want to leave it will boil down to money, let’s for example use Gayle as an example. If say Luton offered him the same wages to join them or higher wages than we pay, he’d be off like a shot with his family in tow. 

 

 

Edited July 4, 2022 by HTT II

[jonny1403]

4 minutes ago, HTT II said:

They rarely see their kids anyway due to their football career. Again, I know there are lots of variables and many valid ones, but ask yourself this, if you had dedicated 20 years or so to your profession, were already a multi millionaire, would you not want to play the sport you gave so much up for as a kid and teenager to continue even if you had to take a pay cut? 

 

 

 

Also, I imagine footballers see more of their kids then most workers. They finish at 2pm most days ffs 

[Hanshithispantz]

Imagine the conversation with your lass when you're trying to explain why you're taking a 30 grand a week pay cut and moving the family to Rotherham.

[Manxst]

4 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

Anyone who has played any sort of football or sport would do anything they could to play for as long as possible l, especially professionals. 

Like not drink booze or do drugs for example….? 

[Guest HTT II]

3 minutes ago, jonny1403 said:

 

My point is that there are a range of factors to consider. You're completely right that playing as much football as you can is a big factor, but it doesn't automatically override others such as finances, family life, injury concerns etc.

 

If playing football was the be all and end all why does every PL footballer not end up playing in League Two at the age of 38? A couple do but most retire at a PL/champ team because playing away at Northampton Town with cloggers smashing you every week probably isn't as appealing as you seem to think it is.

We are not talking about 38 year olds here. And to use a 37 year old, Ronaldo. He is the wealthiest footballer on the planet and wants to play every game, every minute and trains so hard because he’s dedicated to the job of being a footballer which he’s dedicated all his life too. It’s about mentality and I refuse to respect any footballer whatever the circumstances who are happy to just pick up a salary and not play. A waste of a squad number, a shirt and money.

 

 

Edited July 4, 2022 by HTT II

[WillingtonMag]

Maybe he thinks he worth that much anyways or his agent is advising him not to move, loads or variables. Always think the blame is on the club for giving out stupid contracts personally.

[jonny1403]

Just now, Hanshithispantz said:

Imagine the conversation with your lass when you're trying to explain why you're taking a 30 grand a week pay cut and moving the family to Rotherham.

 

Exactly  "But it's my love of the beautiful game pet"

[WillingtonMag]

1 minute ago, Hanshithispantz said:

Imagine the conversation with your lass when you're trying to explain why you're taking a 30 grand a week pay cut and moving the family to Rotherham.

? sums it up.

[Guest HTT II]

4 minutes ago, jonny1403 said:

Also, I imagine footballers see more of their kids then most workers. They finish at 2pm most days ffs 

Lucky them…

[Guest HTT II]

3 minutes ago, Hanshithispantz said:

Imagine the conversation with your lass when you're trying to explain why you're taking a 30 grand a week pay cut and moving the family to Rotherham.

Lucky them…

[jonny1403]

1 minute ago, HTT II said:

We are not talking about 38 year olds here. And to use a 37 year old, Ronaldo. He is the wealthiest footballer on the planet and wants to play every game, every minute and trains so hard because he’s dedicated to the job of being a footballer which he’s decimated all his life too. It’s about mentality and I refuse to respect any footballer whatever the circumstances happy to just pick up his salary and not play. A waste of a squad number, a shirt and money.

 

So when Ronaldo eventually leaves Man U or Chelsea or whereever he ends up at the age of 40, you would expect him to want to play in the Championship for Stoke if they offer him a 1 year deal at £30k a week? Because he's dedicated his life to the game and wants to play it as long as possible?

[Kid Icarus]

Comparing the jobs is obviously ridiculous, but thinking that footballers are going to act differently to how we would in certain situations is equally ridiculous tbh. 

 

If you have no ties and it's going to damage your long-term career by not getting game time, it's a lot easier to make the love of the game case to take a pay cut than it would be if you're 32 and your wife and kids think of Newcastle as home. 

[SUPERTOON]

Just now, Kid Icarus said:

Comparing the jobs is obviously ridiculous, but thinking that footballers are going to act differently to how we would in certain situations is equally ridiculous tbh. 

 

If you have no ties and it's going to damage your long-term career by not getting game time, it's a lot easier to make the love of the game case to take a pay cut than it would be if you're 32 and your wife and kids think of Newcastle as home. 

In terms of Clark, he turned down the chance to go to Boro in January on loan, hardly have to his family would he.

[Guest HTT II]

1 minute ago, jonny1403 said:

 

So when Ronaldo eventually leaves Man U or Chelsea or whereever he ends up at the age of 40, you would expect him to want to play in the Championship for Stoke if they offer him a 1 year deal at £30k a week? Because he's dedicated his life to the game and wants to play it as long as possible?

I guarantee wherever he ends up, he’ll play for whatever money, just like Ronaldinho still plays for nothing for the love of playing even though he’s not a pro anymore!

[Kid Icarus]

1 minute ago, SUPERTOON said:

In terms of Clark, he turned down the chance to go to Boro in January on loan, hardly have to his family would he.

 

Just saying, not every situation is identical. A contract is a two-way thing as well. 

 

 

Edited July 4, 2022 by Kid Icarus

[STM]

It's all a pointless arguement. Basically, if we can't sell them, we will loan them out and we will accept proposals from the clubs willing to pay the highest percentage of wages.

 

We will wait as long as possible for clubs to get desperate and therefore willing to pay more wages.

 

I wouldn't let it worry any of you, most will be gone come September and those who aren't probably won't make the squad. None if them are under any illusions about the situation.

[jonny1403]

1 minute ago, HTT II said:

I guarantee wherever he ends up, he’ll play for whatever money, just like Ronaldinho still plays for nothing for the love of playing even though he’s not a pro anymore!

 

This is a mental argument. Ronaldinho isn't a professional footballer any more. And why are you ignoring the 100s of professional footballers who choose to retire at 34/35 instead of playing in the lower leagues? Do you lack respect for Alan Shearer as a result? He could have played for a few years in the Championship if he loved the game so much.