Bruno Guimarães

[STM]

33 minutes ago, Shays Given Tim Flowers said:

On what planet is Jonjo Shelvey a defensive midfielder?

Who's that question aimed at?

 

He's been sitting in front of our back four in an 8 game unbeaten run, so clearly Eddie Howe sees him as a defensive midfielder of sorts. More of a ball re cycling, quarter back but a defensive midfielder all the same.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

There’s a question of structure if you remove Shelvey. Joelinton isn’t really a professional midfielder and Willock also doesn’t really provide that traditional base to a midfield. 
 

It’s possible that in time Bruno will be trusted to do that on his own, but isn’t at the moment. 

[r0cafella]

We learnt from our earlier experiences that playing Shelvey as part of a 2 is a mistake. He can only function now as he JoeLinton and Wilock are playing in front of him. 

[54]

Don't know why but this made me giggle

 

https://twitter.com/brunoog97/status/1501206232547442688?t=0DWjYQRk7kA1WRYWiHfwqA&s=19

[Kanj]

made me laugh too

[Guest HTT II]

It’s Rafa’s Toons all over 

[HaydnNUFC]

1 hour ago, 54 said:

Don't know why but this made me giggle

 

https://twitter.com/brunoog97/status/1501206232547442688?t=0DWjYQRk7kA1WRYWiHfwqA&s=19

 

[Shays Given Tim Flowers]

On 07/03/2022 at 19:43, STM said:

Who's that question aimed at?

 

He's been sitting in front of our back four in an 8 game unbeaten run, so clearly Eddie Howe sees him as a defensive midfielder of sorts. More of a ball re cycling, quarter back but a defensive midfielder all the same.

 

solitude on the page before said Bruno wouldn’t be replacing shelvey as he’s not a DM. Jonjo isn’t a defensive midfielder either. He’s a midfield playmaker who has been told by Howe to sit deep and stay close to the back four. There are a number of posts that suggest Bruno is not capable of occupying this role. If shelvey can do it I can see no reason why Bruno can’t. 

[Manxst]

30 minutes ago, Shays Given Tim Flowers said:

 

solitude on the page before said Bruno wouldn’t be replacing shelvey as he’s not a DM. Jonjo isn’t a defensive midfielder either. He’s a midfield playmaker who has been told by Howe to sit deep and stay close to the back four. There are a number of posts that suggest Bruno is not capable of occupying this role. If shelvey can do it I can see no reason why Bruno can’t. 

Shelvey occupies the DM role in the same way as Pirlo did. (And yes, I can’t fucking believe I’ve mentioned them both in the same sentence). They don’t break up play or tackle, but use their range of passing to instigate attacks from deep lying areas. Of course Bruno can do this too, but he seemingly has far more to his game- namely ball carrying, movement, and energy- all of which Shelvey lacks. A ‘specialist’ DM in the midfield in the Kamara mould would transform the current midfield no end- sitting deep, breaking up attacks and laying the ball off, and allowing Bruno a starting position, allowing him to roam and use his positional play, ball carrying and passing, and making us play even more on the ‘front foot’ as Howe seemingly prefers. Seems a no brainer to get someone in like that, and hence drop Shelvey moving forward. 

[HaydnNUFC]

Zico and Socrates.

 

https://twitter.com/JonPijnen/status/1501297162516242434

[Wilson]

4 hours ago, Shays Given Tim Flowers said:

 

solitude on the page before said Bruno wouldn’t be replacing shelvey as he’s not a DM. Jonjo isn’t a defensive midfielder either. He’s a midfield playmaker who has been told by Howe to sit deep and stay close to the back four. There are a number of posts that suggest Bruno is not capable of occupying this role. If shelvey can do it I can see no reason why Bruno can’t. 

 

Aye, Bruno has said himself that he's glad we know that we haven't signed a forward/attacking mid.  In my mind, he slots perfectly into (and improves) the role Shelvey's playing at the min, whatever people want to call it. 

 

 

Edited March 9, 2022 by Wilson

[Solitude20]

18 hours ago, Shays Given Tim Flowers said:

 

solitude on the page before said Bruno wouldn’t be replacing shelvey as he’s not a DM. Jonjo isn’t a defensive midfielder either. He’s a midfield playmaker who has been told by Howe to sit deep and stay close to the back four. There are a number of posts that suggest Bruno is not capable of occupying this role. If shelvey can do it I can see no reason why Bruno can’t. 

What you described there is a form of DM, or a holding midfielder. A person who rarely advances forward, stays close to the back line, provides decent/good vision and passing, and has a bit more of defensive duties compared to other midfielders. Shelvey is the Newcastle midfielder who fulfills that role. A midfielder with a defensive duty does not mean he has to tackle more than others, he can do all of his defensive duties by proper and smart positioning. Sergio Busquets and Andrea Pirlo (as mentioned by the other poster) are prime examples, though those two of course have more freedom in dictating play than Shelvey does.
 

Based on all the minutes played by Bruno at Newcastle so far, he never showed any sign of covering that role. He is young and he can read the game well, you can argue that he can learn that role. But he was never played there in Newcastle, Lyon, or Brazil. 
 

Bruno plays in a similar role that Iniesta played: a creative box to box midfielder, or as some call it: a Mezzala. This role is usually given to a creative and mobile player who is allowed to get forward and support upfront, but still has a lot of defensive duties. Mezzala is similar to a box to box midfielder in the sense that both are mobile, but Mezzala is more technical and creative while a box to box midfielder is more physical and aggressive (J7 now). Whenever Howe brings Bruno in, he played him in that role, and that role has nothing to do with what Shelvey does. Actually, they complement each other, one is mobile and the other is holding position. 

 

 

Edited March 9, 2022 by Solitude20

[buzza]

5 hours ago, Solitude20 said:

What you described there is a form of DM, or a holding midfielder. A person who rarely advances forward, stays close to the back line, and has quite a bit of defensive duties compared to other midfielders. Shelvey is the Newcastle midfielder who fulfills that role. A midfielder with a defensive duty does not mean he has to tackle more than others, he can do all of his defensive duties by proper and smart positioning. Sergio Busquets and Andrea Pirlo (as mentioned by the other poster) are prime examples, though those two of course have more freedom in dictating play than Shelvey does.
 

Based on all the minutes played by Bruno at Newcastle so far, he never showed any sign of covering that role. He is young and he can read the game well, you can argue that he can learn that role. But he was never played there in Newcastle, Lyon, or Brazil. 
 

Bruno plays in a similar role that Iniesta played: a creative box to box midfielder, or as some call it: a Mezzala. This role is usually given to a creative and mobile player who is allowed to get forward and support upfront, but still has a lot of defensive duties. Mezzala is similar to a box to box midfielder in the sense that both are mobile, but Mezzala is more technical and creative while a box to box midfielder is more physical and aggressive (J7 now). Whenever Howe brings Bruno in, he played him in that role, and that role has nothing to do with what Shelvey does. Actually, they complement each other, one is mobile and the other is holding position. 

 

 

 

Very good post. Like to think that with both willock and linton flanking him he could be the more "holding" of the three. We would be much more progressive but would still have the nous and muscle to hold our own and shield the defence.

Shelvey has played well up to now but we need to progress...

[Aiston]

Hope he starts tomorrow, Shelvey been looking very tired.

[buzza]

19 hours ago, Aiston said:

Hope he starts tomorrow, Shelvey been looking very tired.

Same, think shelvey needs to be rested and Bruno needs to be tested!

[MrRaspberryJam]

Who'll be skipper if Shelvey's benched? That means we'd be without our first 3 captains if Shelvey doesnt start. Schar? Burn? Dubravka?

[Scribble]

1 minute ago, Mr Raspberry Jam said:

Who'll be skipper if Shelvey's benched? That means we'd be without our first 3 captains if Shelvey doesnt start. Schar? Burn? Dubravka?

 

Burn maybe.

[Mazzy]

32 minutes ago, Mr Raspberry Jam said:

Who'll be skipper if Shelvey's benched? That means we'd be without our first 3 captains if Shelvey doesnt start. Schar? Burn? Dubravka?

 

Burn would make most sense. Wood maybe? He's vice captain for New Zealand.

[mosstef]

36 minutes ago, Mr Raspberry Jam said:

Who'll be skipper if Shelvey's benched? That means we'd be without our first 3 captains if Shelvey doesnt start. Schar? Burn? Dubravka?

Should be Big Joe 

[RodneyCisse]

Didn’t Schar sometimes take it under Rafa?

[James]

I’m not really a fan of Shelvey as captain regardless of form as some players just need to focus on their own game. Similarly if feel the same about Joelinton and Wood.

 

Once you work so far down the list I’d just give it to the goalkeeper

[GWN]

Are we expecting him to play , Bruno? 

[HawK]

58 minutes ago, GWN said:

Are we expecting him to play , Bruno? 

 

I think that move in the box has meant he's played himself out of starting. You just can't take those risks to rely on decisions like that. He'll come good and be an absolute lynch-pin for us in time, but he needs to get street-wise to the PL fast.

[Alberto2005]

Surely he plays tonight, players need a rest and he's only going to learn by playing what are you going to do sit him out for 6 months and tell him to watch and learn?

[MrRaspberryJam]

8 minutes ago, Alberto2005 said:

Surely he plays tonight, players need a rest and he's only going to learn by playing what are you going to do sit him out for 6 months and tell him to watch and learn?

 

Alright mate calm down!