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England’s Dan Burn - Signs Contract Extension until 2027 (Official)

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Thing is all players have good and bad games, burn and lesser extent longstaff due to having fuck all else seem immovable regardless of them. Both have had plenty good fwiw. Tino came in and was great so it's hard to understand leaving him out when we play a team with a winger who can get at him. Similar to almiron nailed on when some games Murphy would be a better option 

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2 hours ago, Yorkie said:

 

Adam Clery (who's very good in this format I have to say) absolutely nailing the Burn stuff for me. From 32:58.

"Still a chance of 5th or 6th" What has the bald bloke been smoking?

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4 hours ago, Yorkie said:

 

Adam Clery (who's very good in this format I have to say) absolutely nailing the Burn stuff for me. From 32:58.


He was much more bearable than usual on this. Find his tactics stuff incredibly annoying and unfunny. Whilst also being interesting. 
 

Norman was also good. He should be on more. More succinct and accurate with his analysis. Too many regulars on there just kind of waffle on and bash out word salads for a couple of minutes. Resulting in fuck all of use actually being said.  

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6 hours ago, Yorkie said:

 

Adam Clery (who's very good in this format I have to say) absolutely nailing the Burn stuff for me. From 32:58.

I don’t think he is at all. He claims we ‘function better’ with him in the side, but our home form since he got back in the side completely suggests otherwise. Actually don’t mind him away for games like Villa (where he was good), but at home against weaker sides without the midfield cover, it’s suicidal. Far from all his fault as it’s a slow defence, but he’s the obvious change.
 

People act like Livramento is unproven there too. He put in some excellent performances at both LB and RB and imo was our best player before Christmas. It’s not like he can’t defend either or even being a more attacking player would harm the way we ‘function’ as his recovery pace is so fast. Plus his mistakes don’t get highlighted as much because he’s on to help us salvage a result following goals Burn had a hand in. 
 

What I do agree with is on how the crowd reacts and it seems harsh when other defenders are at fault. But we all know it’s frustration at the manager not using alternatives. 

 

 

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I do agree that from a tactical perspective, if Howe insists on a four-man defence it needs an attacking full-back (Trippier) plus a defensive one - something which Livramento is not. Injuries and the bizarre Hall situation mean there's nobody else.

 

But, knowing this, why don't we try other ideas? Whether it's Trippier/Livramento as wing-backs that also allows some CM rotation, or even trying Botman as the LB/CB hybrid and bringing Lascelles in. I dunno. Something else that isn't the obvious weekly scenario where the opposition puts a fast winger on Burn and we get destroyed. If the whole fanbase has figured it out then top-class Premier League managers absolutely have.

 

Nervous about what Saka will do, to put it lightly!

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3 hours ago, Ketsbaia said:

I do agree that from a tactical perspective, if Howe insists on a four-man defence it needs an attacking full-back (Trippier) plus a defensive one - something which Livramento is not. Injuries and the bizarre Hall situation mean there's nobody else.

 

But, knowing this, why don't we try other ideas? Whether it's Trippier/Livramento as wing-backs that also allows some CM rotation, or even trying Botman as the LB/CB hybrid and bringing Lascelles in. I dunno. Something else that isn't the obvious weekly scenario where the opposition puts a fast winger on Burn and we get destroyed. If the whole fanbase has figured it out then top-class Premier League managers absolutely have.

 

Nervous about what Saka will do, to put it lightly!

Don't agree. When Trips goes forward the other side stays and vice versa. Not beyond Livro to grasp that. With Burn the obvious advantage is defending and attacking set pieces but in open play I see more disadvantages than advantages.

 

 

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Who was it said Tino wasn’t fast at all? One of the regulars anyway. Very odd thing to say. Being kind it may that his running style doesn’t look like he’s on the point of breaking a lá Gordon or Miggy so maybe they just felt he wasn’t travelling very quick.

Anyway, I’d be astonished if Tino hasn’t the tactical nous to hold position to allow Trips to venture forward. 
Also, it’s not as if Burn never gets forward because he does. And when he does it is impossible for him to quickly or even moderately recover position.

Anyway. It’s an odd season and it’s raised as many questions as it’s answered. Hopefully we’ll be able to look back in a years time and understand what was going on.

 

 

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3 hours ago, The College Dropout said:

I don't agree. Livra can position himself more defensively in build-up if necessary.

 

 

Villa do it, sometimes they have an "attacking" FB play much more defensively.

 

If Dan Burn starts at FB in a back 4 against Saka, it is going to be ugly.

 

"If one goes, the other stays back". Been pretty much how full-back partnerships have worked from day 1. 

 

Honestly think Livramento would transform the way we play and also how teams approach us.

 

You can vary the way we attack, it's not just relying on the Bruno/Almiron/Trippier triangles. Livramento would be a huge help to Barnes or Gordon going forward on the left, but all he has to do when Trippier goes forward, is sit back. Same would be true for Trippier when Livramento goes forward. It saves his legs a bit as well.

 

Defensively, teams will have to be a bit more intelligent than just "give the ball to the right-winger and run at Burn". Of course Livramento will make slip-ups positionally on occasions, still get beaten by wingers, but at the moment it's far too fucking easy. 

 

 

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4 hours ago, thomas said:

it's fairly damning that 80% (conservatively estimated) of the fanbase would rather see an out-of-position Tino at LB instead of Burn :lol: 

 

And I'm one of them.

He looks no more out of position than Burn tbf. Burn has played quite a lot at LB, but he is a 6ft7 CB that just happens to be left-footed. He often drifts into a CB position and nowadays the high number of right-footed LWs makes right-footed LBs more effective imo. 
 

To me it just looks like the classic case of a manager who wants a player he can ‘trust’ because the more exciting and seemingly more obvious option is risky, which is a bit of a shame. Surely you try and mould the way they play to complement the players around, because whatever he’s trying to do with a very sluggish and easily targeted LB isn’t working. 

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Burn is on a bad run of form, the manager needs to make a change for the good of the team. Against Saka you need somebody with pace and who is able to turn quickly, this is not big Dan unfortunately... Tino has to play!

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Where are all the Burn haters now?

 

Embarrassing how the fan base has behaved towards him and Howe.

 

Just goes to show how little the fan base understands about tactics. 

 

I love livra but he is not the solution at lb. Can deputize but not permanently yet, if you have trippier on the other side going forward.

 

I'd argue that tripps shit run of form was worse and more devastating than Burns, but nobody was calling for him to get dropped the way people have called for Burn. 

 

 

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Just now, NobbySolano said:

Where are all the Burn haters now?

 

Embarrassing how the fan base has behaved towards him and Howe.

 

Just goes to show how little the fan base understands about tactics. 

 

I love livra but he is not the solution at lb. Can deputize but not permanently yet, if you have trippier on the other side going forward.

 

I'd argue that tripps shit run of form was worse and more devastating than Burns, but nobody was calling for him to get dropped the way people have called for Burn. 

 

 

Wrong game to use as an example - Cause Botman and Schar + our dogshit midfield has given the goals. Oh and two of them is on Karius.

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1 minute ago, worthy said:

Wrong game to use as an example - Cause Botman and Schar + our dogshit midfield has given the goals. Oh and two of them is on Karius.

 

Our dog shit midfield has been the same dog shit defensively the whole time burn was getting stick

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