Other games (2022/23)

[The Prophet]

I'm glad they're investigating the pre-game scenes, they do seen awfully familiar though:

 

https://www.worldsoccer.com/news/liverpool-fans-branded-worst-in-europe-122549

 

Coincidence though, I'm sure.

[Wolfcastle]

2 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

I'm glad they're investigating the pre-game scenes, they do seen awfully familiar though:

 

https://www.worldsoccer.com/news/liverpool-fans-branded-worst-in-europe-122549

 

Coincidence though, I'm sure.

Yeah they have to and has to be heavy punishments including some of the stewards or those who organised them. This is the ground that two suicide bombers tried to get in ffs and people are climbing over fences and breaking in with backpacks.

 

 

Edited May 28, 2022 by Wolfcastle

[TheBrownBottle]

I saw that c*** Balague going on about ticketless fans causing the problem - and surely he can’t be unaware that there’s a dodgy historical precedence there?

 

Though I wonder if continental minds think more ‘Heysel’ than ‘Hillsborough’ when it comes to this.  Looked like pisspoor organisation and overly aggressive police & security were the root problem to me - and anyone who’s been to enough European away games will know what ‘overzealous’ looks like

[Dancing Brave]

A statement here by Gerald Darmanin, Minister of the Interior of France, from the control room at Stade de France.

He blames tonight’s events on fans with fake tickets and claims fans attacked stewards. He also thanks police for mobilising.

His statement translated reads: "Thousands of British "supporters", without tickets or with counterfeit tickets, forced entry and sometimes assaulted the stewards. Thank you to the very many police forces mobilised this evening in this difficult context."

[Guest neesy111]

1 minute ago, TheBrownBottle said:

I saw that c*** Balague going on about ticketless fans causing the problem - and surely he can’t be unaware that there’s a dodgy historical precedence there?

 

Though I wonder if continental minds think more ‘Heysel’ than ‘Hillsborough’ when it comes to this.  Looked like pisspoor organisation and overly aggressive police & security were the root problem to me - and anyone who’s been to enough European away games will know what ‘overzealous’ looks like

 

Ofocurse your ignoring what Liverpool fans did in Athens and Istanbul.

[TheBrownBottle]

2 minutes ago, neesy111 said:

 

Ofocurse your ignoring what Liverpool fans did in Athens and Istanbul.

No, I don’t doubt some dodgy bastards got in with fake tickets.  But we should also not be quick to simply pin this on the support - UEFA don’t half like pinning the blame anywhere but on themselves.

 

The police, media and football authorities don’t exactly have an exemplary record in this space - and UEFA were blaming the support even before kick off

[The Prophet]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43652335

 

https://news-sky-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/liverpool-fan-filmed-pushing-locals-into-fountain-in-barcelona-11708577?amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw%3D%3D#amp_tf=From %1%24s&aoh=16537783913851&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.sky.com%2Fstory%2Fliverpool-fan-filmed-pushing-locals-into-fountain-in-barcelona-11708577

 

https://metro.co.uk/2007/05/24/uefa-liverpool-fans-to-blame-for-ticket-chaos-400126/amp/

 

They're just misunderstood. It's not like they have a history.

[ponsaelius]

There was fake tickets being sold on social media before the game, used to get through security so you can get to the barriers. There will have been loads of Liverpool fans trying to jib in - always is.

[The College Dropout]

Real Madrid play with such character. 
 

Liverpool were the better team but they didn’t play at their best at all. Suspect defensively and ok going forward. 
 

This season when you against top teams - they haven’t been very good. They played 3 finals and scored 0 goals with the best attack in the league. 330 minutes. That’s not by accident. 

[elbee909]

I don't know if the Stade de France has changed much since 2006 - I went to the CL final, got free tickets from my employer at the time - but the organisation to get in was shite then and felt that it wouldn't take much to tip it over the edge.

[Guest neesy111]

9 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

No, I don’t doubt some dodgy bastards got in with fake tickets.  But we should also not be quick to simply pin this on the support - UEFA don’t half like pinning the blame anywhere but on themselves.

 

The police, media and football authorities don’t exactly have an exemplary record in this space - and UEFA were blaming the support even before kick off

 

So why is it always Liverpool fans that it happens to?

[TheBrownBottle]

1 minute ago, neesy111 said:

 

So why is it always Liverpool fans that it happens to?

Playing in far more European finals than any other club is part of it

 

And I’m definitely not saying that scallies with dodgy tickets aren’t getting in.  I just don’t think that’s a good enough reason to have densely packed, poorly organised queues being pepper sprayed

[Mansour]

6 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Real Madrid play with such character. 
 

Liverpool were the better team but they didn’t play at their best at all. Suspect defensively and ok going forward. 
 

This season when you against top teams - they haven’t been very good. They played 3 finals and scored 0 goals with the best attack in the league. 330 minutes. That’s not by accident. 

I disagree. I think it is more on LFC. Klopp cannot get away with 0 goals in three finals, that is just simply unacceptable. I genuinely do not understand how the media is not as critical of Klopp as they are with Pep.

[The College Dropout]

40 minutes ago, Mansour said:

Barca had a tougher one in 2014/15

 

Group stage ahead of PSG and Ajax who were the winners of their respective leagues.

Knocked out City who were the winner of PL

Knocked out PSG who were the winner of L1

Knocked out Munich who were the winner of Bundesliga

Won the CL vs Juve who were the winner of SA

Nah City and PSG weren’t as good as they are now.  
 

Madrid where reigning champions and a real favourite. Barca didn’t beat them. 
 

Everyone said City and Liverpool are the best teams in Europe this season. Some say 2 of the best teams ever. Madrid beat them both. PSG where favourites at the start of the tournament and favourites in their tie against Madrid - Madrid beat them. I think the bookies had Real as underdogs in all of their KO games including the final.  
 

 

[The College Dropout]

2 minutes ago, Mansour said:

I disagree. I think it is more on LFC. Klopp cannot get away with 0 goals in three finals, that is just simply unacceptable. I genuinely do not understand how the media is not as critical of Klopp as they are with Pep.

I agree with this. But if Spurs or Chelsea where in the final - Liverpool would’ve won. Madrid’s character made it a much easier game. Liverpool had chances but they didn’t pummel Madrid. For a bit of a smash and grab it was pretty routine in execution.  

[Mansour]

1 minute ago, The College Dropout said:

Nah City and PSG weren’t as good as they are now.  
 

Madrid where reigning champions and a real favourite. Barca didn’t beat them. 
 

Everyone said City and Liverpool are the best teams in Europe this season. Some say 2 of the best teams ever. Madrid beat them both. PSG where favourites at the start of the tournament and favourites in their tie against Madrid - Madrid beat them. I think the bookies had Real as underdogs in all of their KO games including the final.  
 

 

I agree with PSG and City. But that Munich and Juve teams were levels ahead of any team this season, particularly Juve. I still believe that Barca's run was overall tougher, but Madrid's is certainly more impressive when we take into account Barca 2015 vs Madrid 2022

[Pata]

6 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Playing in far more European finals than any other club is part of it

 

And I’m definitely not saying that scallies with dodgy tickets aren’t getting in.  I just don’t think that’s a good enough reason to have densely packed, poorly organised queues being pepper sprayed

 

Are you a Liverpool fan with your made up stats?

 

Most final appearances (including 2021/22)

UEFA Champions League 
8 Real Madrid
6 AC Milan
6 Bayern München
6 Juventus
5 Barcelona
5 Liverpool
4 Manchester United

 

European Cup (all time)
17 Real Madrid
11 AC Milan
11 Bayern München
10 Liverpool
9 Juventus
8 Barcelona
7 Benfica
6 Ajax

[Mansour]

1 minute ago, The College Dropout said:

I agree with this. But if Spurs or Chelsea where in the final - Liverpool would’ve won. Madrid’s character made it a much easier game. Liverpool had chances but they didn’t pummel Madrid. For a bit of a smash and grab it was pretty routine in execution.  

Football, unfortunately does not work with ifs and buts. It is really unacceptable to blame anyone when you fail to score in three finals in a season.

[The College Dropout]

1 hour ago, hakka said:

 

In two of those finals neither did the other side. It's a moot point, you don't just measure Liverpool on 3 finals and that's it, especially without considering what happened in some of them. 

 

 

 

Nah it’s a valid comment. Liverpool high praise as being some of the best ever.  Their performances in cup finals don’t align with that. 
 

Madrid have conceded in every game in the KO round and have been behind in every contest. But beat Liverpool to 0 in the final. 

[TheBrownBottle]

8 minutes ago, Pata said:

 

Are you a Liverpool fan with your made up stats?

 

Most final appearances (including 2021/22)

UEFA Champions League 
8 Real Madrid
6 AC Milan
6 Bayern München
6 Juventus
5 Barcelona
5 Liverpool
4 Manchester United

 

European Cup (all time)
17 Real Madrid
11 AC Milan
11 Bayern München
10 Liverpool
9 Juventus
8 Barcelona
7 Benfica
6 Ajax

I was referring to other English teams - and they’ve appeared in far more than any other English side

[The College Dropout]

4 minutes ago, Mansour said:

I agree with PSG and City. But that Munich and Juve teams were levels ahead of any team this season, particularly Juve. I still believe that Barca's run was overall tougher, but Madrid's is certainly more impressive when we take into account Barca 2015 vs Madrid 2022

Madrid beat both those Bayern and Juve sides in their CL wins either side of that Barca win.  Nobody considered those especially magical runs. 
 

With the exception of Bayern (who were beaten by a non-elite team anyway) Madrid beat the 4 best teams in the competition.  

[Pata]

3 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

I was referring to other English teams - and they’ve appeared in far more than any other English side

 

Alright, so why are the fans from Italy, Spain and Germany so well-behaving compared to Liverpool fans?

 

 

Edited May 28, 2022 by Pata

[Mansour]

4 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Madrid beat both those Bayern and Juve sides in their CL wins either side of that Barca win.  Nobody considered those especially magical runs. 
 

With the exception of Bayern (who were beaten by a non-elite team anyway) Madrid beat the 4 best teams in the competition.  

Now I get your point, and I agree. What made Madrid's run tougher was their situation, they clearly were not the favourite in any of the ties unlike Barca. I think the quality of football and Barca's opponents were so much better, and perhaps that what gave me the impression that it was a harder run.

[The College Dropout]

1 minute ago, Mansour said:

Now I get your point, and I agree. What made Madrid's run tougher was their situation, they clearly were not the favourite in any of the ties unlike Barca. I think the quality of football and Barca's opponents were so much better, and perhaps that what gave me the impression that it was a harder run.

I disagree that Barca’s opponents where harder. City and PSG weren’t serious contenders at the time. Madrid beat those Bayern and Juve sides year in year out themselves. 

[Mansour]

1 minute ago, The College Dropout said:

I disagree that Barca’s opponents where harder. City and PSG weren’t serious contenders at the time. Madrid beat those Bayern and Juve sides year in year out themselves. 

I personally believe that Juve and Munich 2015 (and Madrid 2015, for that matter) are superior to CFC, City, LFC, and Madrid 2022. Overall, football's quality was better back then than it is right now.