brummie Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: Isn’t he very close to Purslow though ? Will that not give him a stay of execution ? I think he's already had that stay. Ultimately, it will be Sawiris and Edens who make the decision. Edens with his NBA team has a back story of not fucking about with coaches. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paullow Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 Any particular reason why Wigan play Blackburn tonight (live on Sky), and Bristol C play Preston tomorrow (not on Sky)? They're not games in hand, and all 4 of them play on Saturday. They probably can't play the fixture further down the line for whatever reason, so getting them in now, but seems random just to have 2 Championship matches in midweek. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 It's baffling how little responsibility Gerrard takes for his side's failings. They have bags of young talent coming through, it's not like the players are lacking. With the right manager they'd be finishing 9th-12th I imagine. He's a monumental wanker Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 9 minutes ago, Paullow said: Any particular reason why Wigan play Blackburn tonight (live on Sky), and Bristol C play Preston tomorrow (not on Sky)? They're not games in hand, and all 4 of them play on Saturday. They probably can't play the fixture further down the line for whatever reason, so getting them in now, but seems random just to have 2 Championship matches in midweek. Think they were both postponed following the Queen dying. Wigan will have some rugby league world cup games this month played at their stadium so that might come into play Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 13 hours ago, Joey Linton said: Be interested to see whether Gerrard drops down the leagues or goes into punditry when he gets the sack from Villa as he's unlikely to get another shot in the Premier League. Hope he drops down the leagues, wouldn't want to see him on telly. There's enough unsufferable Liverpool legends already droning their scouse propaganda. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgarve Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 1 hour ago, brummie said: Honestly, saying in his post match he 'needs certain players to step forward and create something'. No, Steven, that's your fucking job to make that happen through training. Unbelievable. What a cunt. I supported him but the way he has reacted when under real pressure is absolutely shameful. Horrible person. Don’t think these comments were that bad like ?? I think he was in a way saying he’s doing the best he can ( not good enough ) and needs moments of magic to pull them through Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 You look at Gerrard and you think: he's only 42, he's potentially got an entire generation in front him in terms of being a manager; maybe these early experiences at the highest level will stand him in good stead and he'll eventually make a success of it. But his character just seems far too poisonous for the modern manager; he doesn't seem to have an ounce of sympathy or willingness to take accountability. Every interview I've ever seen from him since getting into management has been the same frowning, petulant, "I expect/I demand" act, akin to the disciplinarians of a bygone era, but with barely a shred of it earned. He really is Stevie Me. Great to see it all going to pot for him, have always found him to be one of the most thoroughly unlikable individuals in the PL. Respect his talent and his achievements with Liverpool and to a (far) lesser extent Rangers; but he's quite clearly a total arsehole. Naturally I hope Villa keep him as long as possible because broadly speaking that club is on an upwards curve and should be a rival in the 'best of the rest' pack. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgarve Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 1 minute ago, Yorkie said: You look at Gerrard and you think: he's only 42, he's potentially got an entire generation in front him in terms of being a manager; maybe these early experiences at the highest level will stand him in good stead he'll eventually make a success of it. But his character just seems far too poisonous for the modern manager; he doesn't seem to have an ounce of sympathy or willingness to take accountability. Every interview I've ever seen from him since getting into management has been the same frowning, petulant, "I expect/I demand" act, akin to the disciplinarians of a bygone era, but with barely a shred of it earned. He really is Stevie Me. Great to see it all going to pot for him, have always found him to be one of the most thoroughly unlikable individuals in the PL. Respect his talent and his achievements with Liverpool and to a (far) lesser extent Rangers; but he's quite clearly a total arsehole. Naturally I hope Villa keep him as long as possible because broadly speaking that club is on an upwards curve and should be a rival in the 'best of the rest' pack. He also played Liverpool for money with the whole chelsea thing don’t forget. Guy is a twat Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDT Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 Michael Beale has QPR joint top of the Championship as well which adds to the point about Gerrard's lack of coaching ability. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 Don't mind Gerrard - great hairline too. But it's not working for him and he's already lost his identity as a manager. Similar to Lampard. He's refining himself as a PFM which isn't goign to help him long-term. Thing with Lampard & Gerrard - they aren't good coaches. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bonk Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 Lampard has more about him than Stevie G, but neither of them will be as accomplished as coaches as they were players. Howe strikes me as a relentless student of the game, but also possesses exceedingly good management skills with players, the press, etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 45 minutes ago, KDT said: Michael Beale has QPR joint top of the Championship as well which adds to the point about Gerrard's lack of coaching ability. Emi Martinez was on Ben Foster’s podcast last year, before Beale left, and said he did (and ran) all the training, and described him as having an ‘unbelievable’ knowledge on football/ training etc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 24 minutes ago, The Bonk said: Lampard has more about him than Stevie G, but neither of them will be as accomplished as coaches as they were players. Howe strikes me as a relentless student of the game, but also possesses exceedingly good management skills with players, the press, etc. worth remembering, Howe has way more experience than Gerrard, and it shows. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 33 minutes ago, brummie said: worth remembering, Howe has way more experience than Gerrard, and it shows. Bruce is more experienced than both. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 33 minutes ago, madras said: Bruce is more experienced than both. Ha, true, but I meant in terms of being young managers, rather than a true fucking relic like Bruce Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 Gerrard is simply not on Howe's level and I don't think he ever will be Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 he's the future Brewce. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 He's basically Paul Lambert with better players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 Just now, brummie said: He's basically Paul Lambert with better players. Out of interest, is there any sort of tactical pattern of play at all? As with Howe for instance, even if it doesn't always pay off, you can see similar moves time and again that have very clearly been worked on the training pitch in order to break through the lines, and we have a defensive structure that is routinely being worked on and adapted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 (edited) 18 minutes ago, 54 said: Out of interest, is there any sort of tactical pattern of play at all? As with Howe for instance, even if it doesn't always pay off, you can see similar moves time and again that have very clearly been worked on the training pitch in order to break through the lines, and we have a defensive structure that is routinely being worked on and adapted. Other than Luiz trying to score directly from corners, no. It really does smell of 'gee the lads up and send them out there', which is amazing if so as he has a huge coaching team. I actually don't think it is that, I think he's just wound up some players pointlessly (Mings, who is a big presence at the club), chosen a few who are utterly undroppable (McGinn, who has had about 2 good games EVER in the top flight), and then banished some more (Sanson, who had a good pre-season and looks very useful, Guilbert). The result is a clearly unhappy dressing room. Last night, Gerrard was straight down the tunnel, and of the players, Mings came right over to the away fans and talked with them. Gerrard will never understand people to the degree Mings does. His after match interviews are absolutely awful, last night's a great example "I need certain players to step forward and create the chances". No, we need YOU to fucking coach them to do that, you're the manager. Absolutely a dead man walking. Edited October 11, 2022 by brummie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bonk Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 2 hours ago, brummie said: worth remembering, Howe has way more experience than Gerrard, and it shows. I have doubt Gerrard even wants to manage at the level that's required to get to Eddie's calibre. The perception, from my perspective, he gives off is that he's gone into management to stay close to Football and the spotlight post a very good career. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorpinho Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 Absolute Pardew levels of management from Gerrard with his 'bit of magic' craic. Similar vibes of me me me as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixelphish Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 5 hours ago, brummie said: Honestly, saying in his post match he 'needs certain players to step forward and create something'. No, Steven, that's your fucking job to make that happen through training. Unbelievable. What a cunt. I supported him but the way he has reacted when under real pressure is absolutely shameful. Horrible person. You can't really add much more than that other than. Cunt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 3 hours ago, The Bonk said: Lampard has more about him than Stevie G, but neither of them will be as accomplished as coaches as they were players. Howe strikes me as a relentless student of the game, but also possesses exceedingly good management skills with players, the press, etc. I don't think he does. He's just gone full PFM while SG has just started the path. Lampard's success has come from getting in good characters and fostering a team spirit. Sean Dyche can do that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 Just now, The College Dropout said: I don't think he does. He's just gone full PFM while SG has just started the path. Lampard's success has come from getting in good characters and fostering a team spirit. Sean Dyche can do that. I take this back based on Brummie's reports. Gerrard seems to be an arrogant prick pissing off the dressing room and some fans. Somehow Lampard has the dressing room and fans behind him at Everton, which is a management skill/attribute in itself. He learnt the hard way about that at Chelsea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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