sunderland

[The Fountain]

6 hours ago, OpenC said:

 

Crossing the river Tyne automatically adds 15 Mackem Miles

 

 

 

The human race needs to invent some kind of structure which enables people to get from one side of a river to the other.

[Coffee_Johnny]

31 minutes ago, The Fountain said:

The human race needs to invent some kind of structure which enables people to get from one side of a river to the other.

One that is aesthetically pleasing preferably. Take note Sunderland ‘council’. 

[wmot]

Kent Boy probably regards their 1990 playoff final loss to Swindon as a trophy.

 

The only team to ever lose a playoff final and still get promoted. 

 

And we get all the luck.

[Drewboy74]

4 hours ago, Elbel1 said:

 

I'm sure they've all been on that Undateables show.

[et tu brute]

Seemingly their tifo for the game is going to be SUN'LAN 

[BlueStar]

3 hours ago, jack j said:

Nice of the manager to call out their fans small time mentality

 

 

 

Deleted the tweet. Must have wound them up too much

[Heron]

5 minutes ago, et tu brute said:

Seemingly their tifo for the game is going to be SUN'LAN 

I read somewhere they're going down the civil war route

[bigfella]

7 minutes ago, Heron said:

I read somewhere they're going down the civil war route

 

I REALLY hope so.

Believing that men from what was essentially a fishing village could defeat a fortified large garrison town (nowt to do with the 30000 Scots that landed on the wear, of course) is peak makem delusion.

[Heron]

6 minutes ago, bigfella said:

 

I REALLY hope so.

Believing that men from what was essentially a fishing village could defeat a fortified large garrison town (nowt to do with the 30000 Scots that landed on the wear, of course) is peak makem delusion.

I don't know the history of it tbf. Just recently learned it's cause we were the kings of coal and they were (as always) a shithole.

 

 

Edited December 12, 2025 by Heron

[TheBrownBottle]

7 minutes ago, Heron said:

I don't know the history of it tbf. Just recently learned it's cause we were the kings of coal and they were (as always) a shithole.

 

 

 

It’s my favourite myth, this one.  No-one ever wrote owt like this until the last decade or so.  Sunderland didn’t exist beyond a scattering of fishing villages in the civil war era - Newcastle was a medieval county town and one of the biggest conurbations in the country.  It’s a total myth put about by that lot to make it sound like some ancient rivalry, rather than a far more recent one based entirely on football.  They’re absolute weirdos. 

[Heron]

21 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

It’s my favourite myth, this one.  No-one ever wrote owt like this until the last decade or so.  Sunderland didn’t exist beyond a scattering of fishing villages in the civil war era - Newcastle was a medieval county town and one of the biggest conurbations in the country.  It’s a total myth put about by that lot to make it sound like some ancient rivalry, rather than a far more recent one based entirely on football.  They’re absolute weirdos. 

So basically, the Scots outflanked the garrison at Newcastle with a few fishing towns in tow and got a one off victory but Sunderland was and remained forever in Newcastles shadow, football aside?

 

 

Edited December 12, 2025 by Heron

[TBG]

I thought it was simply Sunderland is Latin for shit hole.

[TheBrownBottle]

2 minutes ago, Heron said:

So basically, the Scots outflanked the garrison at Newcastle with a few fishing towns in tow and got a one off victory but Sunderland was and remained forever in Newcastles shadow, football aside?

 

 

 

They didn’t even come in from that way, it’s another weird Mackem myth that Sunderland were Roundheads and Newcastle were Cavaliers.  The Scottish army approached from the north and west, like they had four years’ earlier in the Second Bishops’ War.  Newcastle was occupied again, the first was after the battle of Newburn (notable by not being on the ‘Wearside’ approach to the town).

 

It’s all just strange Mackem bollocks.  Same with the ‘coal’ rivalry (at the outbreak of the civil war, Newcastle was exporting over 400,000 tons of coal, Sunderland was barely producing 1% of that).  Shipbuilding as well - the Wear was dotted with small ship builders.

 

It is arguable that there may have been more of a rivalry by the end of the C18th, once Sunderland actually existed in any meaningful sense and was producing ships and significant amounts of coal - but how much would people in each of the two towns have thought about the other at that time?  They love the civil war narrative because it suggests an inbuilt rivalry / hatred around bloody and real events.  They’re fantasists. 

[Heron]

7 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

They didn’t even come in from that way, it’s another weird Mackem myth that Sunderland were Roundheads and Newcastle were Cavaliers.  The Scottish army approached from the north and west, like they had four years’ earlier in the Second Bishops’ War.  Newcastle was occupied again, the first was after the battle of Newburn (notable by not being on the ‘Wearside’ approach to the town).

 

It’s all just strange Mackem bollocks.  Same with the ‘coal’ rivalry (at the outbreak of the civil war, Newcastle was exporting over 400,000 tons of coal, Sunderland was barely producing 1% of that).  Shipbuilding as well - the Wear was dotted with small ship builders.

 

It is arguable that there may have been more of a rivalry by the end of the C18th, once Sunderland actually existed in any meaningful sense and was producing ships and significant amounts of coal - but how much would people in each of the two towns have thought about the other at that time?  They love the civil war narrative because it suggests an inbuilt rivalry / hatred around bloody and real events.  They’re fantasists. 

This is lush assuming you are correct of course. Absolutely ridiculous from them.

[madras]

15 minutes ago, TBG said:

I thought it was simply Sunderland is Latin for shit hole.

Its a derivation of Sun Under the Land. Hell in other words.

[TheBrownBottle]

3 minutes ago, Heron said:

This is lush assuming you are correct of course. Absolutely ridiculous from them.

They’re a strange bunch mate  

[Heron]

4 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

They’re a strange bunch mate  

CoPilot suggests the rivalry all stems from there like bur does say it wasn't a recognised city then and more a small port town. All seems a bit more desperate than I can imagine. Liek where was this rivalry for like 300years between

 

 

Edited December 12, 2025 by Heron

[TheBrownBottle]

4 minutes ago, Heron said:

CoPilot suggests the rivalry all stems from there like bur does say it wasn't a recognised city then and more a small port town. All seems a bit more desperate than I can imagine. Liek where was this rivalry for like 300years between

 

 

 

Copilot will just aggregate whatever it finds on the internet - most of which will be Mackems on forums making these outlandish claims  

 

And exactly right - even if there was a civil war rivalry (zero evidence that there was), then what kept it going for several centuries?  And why wasn’t it recorded?  There’s a lot of folks out there claiming to know what people thought without a shred of evidence to support it. 

[Rafalove]

This is a really interesting. Not sure I’ve witnessed a build up like this to a derby before. Neutrals are paying attention, to this like they previously haven’t.

[madras]

2 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Copilot will just aggregate whatever it finds on the internet - most of which will be Mackems on forums making these outlandish claims  

 

And exactly right - even if there was a civil war rivalry (zero evidence that there was), then what kept it going for several centuries?  And why wasn’t it recorded?  There’s a lot of folks out there claiming to know what people thought without a shred of evidence to support it. 

Isn't the story also that Newcastle via The Tyne was given coal shipping rights that restricted trade from the wear ?

[Heron]

3 minutes ago, Rafalove said:

This is a really interesting. Not sure I’ve witnessed a build up like this to a derby before. Neutrals are paying attention, to this like they previously haven’t.

I mean we've barely had one for a decade so maybe that's why? They always seem to fail to recognise that after their 6 in a row during one of our worst times in recent history

 

 

Edited December 12, 2025 by Heron

[madras]

2 minutes ago, Heron said:

I mean we've barely had one for a decade so maybe that's why? They always seem to fail to recognise that after their 6 in a row during one of our worst times in recent history

 

 

 

And before that we'd had a 5 in a row which went unmentioned cause its not really a big thing.

 

[TheBrownBottle]

1 minute ago, madras said:

Isn't the story also that Newcastle via The Tyne was given coal shipping rights that restricted trade from the wear ?

That’s another one they like to put about - because they’re lunatics.  They claim on one hand that there was a trade rivalry, and on the other that they couldn’t trade because those dastardly Newcastle merchants put the stop on it.

 

The Wear was primarily concerned with the salt trade, not coal, at the time.  Merchants in Sunderland had the same rights as those in Newcastle from the C12th - and Durham was broken off from Northumberland a century later.  Merchants in Newcastle didn’t have the means of blocking trade in another county - or palatinate as Durham was.

[Pablo123]

In to the C12th century cunts as well.

[Heron]

Interesting fact: this is the longest period the two sides have gone without playing each other in the league. Why? I hear you ask. Cause they're shit.