Holloway Posted December 12, 2025 Share Posted December 12, 2025 16 minutes ago, Rafalove said: This is a really interesting. Not sure I’ve witnessed a build up like this to a derby before. Neutrals are paying attention, to this like they previously haven’t. it's a big derby,like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Posted December 12, 2025 Share Posted December 12, 2025 2 hours ago, wmot said: Kent Boy probably regards their 1990 playoff final loss to Swindon as a trophy. The only team to ever lose a playoff final and still get promoted. And we get all the luck. Furthermore the top division was being extended to 22teams so the following season only two teams went down. Two massive breaks. Still went down mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benwell Lad Posted December 12, 2025 Share Posted December 12, 2025 You really only have to walk around and look at the architecture and history of the city and then walk around the pretend "city" to understand how they came about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benwell Lad Posted December 12, 2025 Share Posted December 12, 2025 57 minutes ago, Holloway said: it's a big derby,like I'd say no more intense or passionate than any other two town derby like Forest/Derby, Pompey/Saints, Cardiff/Swansea, Burnley/Blackburn, Ipswich/Norwich, Wolves/WBA or others further down the leagues. It's just hyped more by Sky etc because Sunderland are a bit of a novelty in the Premier League and love indulging themselves in the underdog role. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemtizz Posted December 12, 2025 Share Posted December 12, 2025 Just now, Benwell Lad said: I'd say no more intense or passionate than any other two town derby like Forest/Derby, Pompey/Saints, Cardiff/Swansea, Burnley/Blackburn, Ipswich/Norwich, Wolves/WBA or others further down the leagues. It's just hyped more by Sky etc because Sunderland are a bit of a novelty in the Premier League and love indulging themselves in the underdog role. It's easily top 3 in the PL. Comparing it to those tinpot derbies is absurd. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vedder Posted December 12, 2025 Share Posted December 12, 2025 Just look at the size of the respective fan bases and there’s your answer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benwell Lad Posted December 12, 2025 Share Posted December 12, 2025 4 minutes ago, nemtizz said: It's easily top 3 in the PL. Comparing it to those tinpot derbies is absurd. I'd beg to differ. It's being hyped more but means no more to the fans or players than those other derbys. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Posted December 12, 2025 Share Posted December 12, 2025 (edited) Felt like a big derby when both teams were decent and it was competitive 99-02. The atmospheres and looks of both grounds in those days it felt Milan derby esque. Not been the same since or before and do think its overblown internally. Big stadiums and the dead atmosphere from the Manchester clubs and Liverpool aside its somewhere between those "tinpot derbies" and the bigger ones. The other derby its most similar to for me is Villa-Birmingham. Edited December 12, 2025 by Jonas Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted December 12, 2025 Share Posted December 12, 2025 14 minutes ago, Benwell Lad said: I'd say no more intense or passionate than any other two town derby like Forest/Derby, Pompey/Saints, Cardiff/Swansea, Burnley/Blackburn, Ipswich/Norwich, Wolves/WBA or others further down the leagues. It's just hyped more by Sky etc because Sunderland are a bit of a novelty in the Premier League and love indulging themselves in the underdog role. In my experience, there is a lot more contempt between our two clubs than most of those listed. I lived in Southampton for five years and their rivalry with Pompey was nowhere near the same intensity. Felt more like us/Boro. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Posted December 12, 2025 Share Posted December 12, 2025 13 minutes ago, Vedder said: Just look at the size of the respective fan bases and there’s your answer Would that mean it would be tinpot without those gates - basically prior to 1999 or post 2006 when they couldn't shift 10,000 tickets. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vedder Posted December 12, 2025 Share Posted December 12, 2025 Sorry, who couldn’t shift 10k tickets? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benwell Lad Posted December 12, 2025 Share Posted December 12, 2025 21 minutes ago, nemtizz said: It's easily top 3 in the PL. Comparing it to those tinpot derbies is absurd. Are there three two town derbys in the PL? And sorry Palace/Brighton just doesn't count Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted December 12, 2025 Share Posted December 12, 2025 3 minutes ago, Benwell Lad said: Are there three two town derbys in the PL? And sorry Palace/Brighton just doesn't count Manchester and Liverpool, then depends how you want to classify London. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted December 12, 2025 Share Posted December 12, 2025 20 minutes ago, SteV said: Manchester and Liverpool, then depends how you want to classify London. The Liverpool Derby doesn’t come close in terms of sentiment, even if the two clubs involved are bigger / more successful. The Manchester derby always felt lop-sided, given that Man U and Liverpool reserve their real ire for each other. In terms of general venomous nastiness, there’s little in the PL to compare at the moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BonesJones Posted December 13, 2025 Share Posted December 13, 2025 41 minutes ago, Andy said: In my experience, there is a lot more contempt between our two clubs than most of those listed. I lived in Southampton for five years and their rivalry with Pompey was nowhere near the same intensity. Felt more like us/Boro. I dont know about the others, but as someone thats been to cardiff swansea, its wild and up there with the best. Theres a story of the swansea fans chasing cardiff fans out into the sea and telling them to swim home. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheshire Mag Posted December 13, 2025 Share Posted December 13, 2025 There’s no needle at all in the Merseyside derby. You get Everton fans sitting in the kop wearing Everton shirts ffs. Manchester derby hasn’t been a strong derby for a generation now, with either club being awful for long periods, citeh being in the lower leagues whilst the other dominating, then citeh dominating whilst the other being awful. We’re the biggest derby in the UK IMO. The Glasgow derby is fuelled by religion only, which should be kept well away from football. The Birmingham derby is just laughable as Birmingham are and always will be awful, just have loads of dickheads in their fan base who think they’re extras from Green Street. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted December 13, 2025 Share Posted December 13, 2025 4 minutes ago, Cheshire Mag said: There’s no needle at all in the Merseyside derby. You get Everton fans sitting in the kop wearing Everton shirts ffs. Manchester derby hasn’t been a strong derby for a generation now, with either club being awful for long periods, citeh being in the lower leagues whilst the other dominating, then citeh dominating whilst the other being awful. We’re the biggest derby in the UK IMO. The Glasgow derby is fuelled by religion only, which should be kept well away from football. The Birmingham derby is just laughable as Birmingham are and always will be awful, just have loads of dickheads in their fan base who think they’re extras from Green Street. Swansea-Cardiff is nearest to ours for spite but has smaller numbers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wmot Posted December 13, 2025 Share Posted December 13, 2025 6 minutes ago, madras said: Swansea-Cardiff is nearest to ours for spite but has smaller numbers. For people who actually want aggro, nah. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fountain Posted December 13, 2025 Share Posted December 13, 2025 1 hour ago, Jonas said: Furthermore the top division was being extended to 22teams so the following season only two teams went down. Two massive breaks. Still went down mind. In 86/87 they finished third bottom of the second division but weren't automatically relegated. Thankfully Gillingham did the business in the play offs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 13, 2025 Share Posted December 13, 2025 Didn’t watch this. Actively avoid good news anblur Sunderland so this has passed me by. Impressive. unless they fold they’ll stay up this season. With someone so engaged and switched on they’ll become a proper PL side again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry 209 Posted December 13, 2025 Share Posted December 13, 2025 (edited) This week has emphatically proven that their fanbase is wholly consumed by NUFC. There forum is devoted to us now. Over here you have a 15 page match thread and 3 pages of extra content on the SAFC thread. Over there you have dozens of new threads dedicated to NUFC (including a new one called "Geordies and mags that aren’t from Newcastle thread" which is FOURTEEN pages long), literally thousands of new posts, and that doesn't even take into account the stuff they hide behind the members only thing (which I assume is where most of the discussion is). God knows how much NUFC content they are hiding there. They can't argue any other way anymore. After many attempts of manufacturing an identity over the years, they do actually now have a very strong identity.The indisputable fact for SAFC is: FTM IS OUR IDENTITY! Edited December 13, 2025 by Harry 209 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-421 Posted December 13, 2025 Share Posted December 13, 2025 23 hours ago, Pablo123 said: Hark at the mathematician Mackematics, marra. #FTM Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted December 13, 2025 Share Posted December 13, 2025 (edited) 13 hours ago, Cheshire Mag said: There’s no needle at all in the Merseyside derby. You get Everton fans sitting in the kop wearing Everton shirts ffs. Manchester derby hasn’t been a strong derby for a generation now, with either club being awful for long periods, citeh being in the lower leagues whilst the other dominating, then citeh dominating whilst the other being awful. We’re the biggest derby in the UK IMO. The Glasgow derby is fuelled by religion only, which should be kept well away from football. The Birmingham derby is just laughable as Birmingham are and always will be awful, just have loads of dickheads in their fan base who think they’re extras from Green Street. We’re not the biggest derby in the UK Edited December 13, 2025 by bobbydazzla Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry 209 Posted December 13, 2025 Share Posted December 13, 2025 I've also heard a rumour that their flag display on Sunday will reference FTM but it will say "Follow the Mackems". I will absolutely piss myself laughing if it references us in some way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucasol Posted December 13, 2025 Share Posted December 13, 2025 30 minutes ago, Harry 209 said: I've also heard a rumour that their flag display on Sunday will reference FTM but it will say "Follow the Mackems". I will absolutely piss myself laughing if it references us in some way. Complete pack of hillbilly cretins. If only they loved their own club as much as they hated us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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