Conjo Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 8 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: If he can’t apparently take any responsibility for the cock-ups, not sure why he should be given any credit for the successes. To my knowledge he hasn't taken any credit for the successes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 Just now, Conjo said: To my knowledge he hasn't taken any credit for the successes. More aimed at those talking about his success than Ashworth himself tbf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 (edited) Man Utd are a bigger club than us, it’s a bigger job and a bigger opportunity. That’s a mixture of ffp holding us back and also the fact they’re just bigger and under new (part) ownership are a better bet for the big trophies in the near future. Don’t take it personally, it’s just how it is and probably always will be. Doesn’t mean we’re not going in the right direction as a club, we are! Edited February 14 by lovejoy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 1 minute ago, TheBrownBottle said: Do you honestly think that those involved in scouting players just look at the player’s ability? Character comes into it. Clubs were able to find out in the ‘70s what a player’s vices were. Quite different seeing if a player goes to a pub or club than what he is doing at home on his phone. Of course they do their due dilligance, but it is limited. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 4 minutes ago, Ghandis Flip-Flop said: I"m a few years older than you and can assure you, no one not even Man Utd fans thought they were bigger than Liverpool in the late 80’s and anyone who even suggested it would have been laughed at. They comfortably had the highest average attendances throughout almost the entire period. Not being the most successful doesn’t mean they weren’t the biggest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 26 minutes ago, Scoot said: Whereas the actual chairman of the club spoke about us being number 1. In the Amazon documentary Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitley mag Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 Edwards article is actually quite a good read for once and it certainly confirms where not a soft touch who rolls over anymore. No way will the Mancs wait 12 months for him, if they want him it’s going to cost big money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andycap Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 There days of been a constant trophy winning side for man utd is gone. With city scousers and arsenal about and the mighty mags we are amongst it so to me it's a sideways step at most. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 5 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: They comfortably had the highest average attendances throughout almost the entire period. Not being the most successful doesn’t mean they weren’t the biggest. So was it the Busy Babes and the tragedy that put them there? If you're saying they were the biggest club before Fergie then i assume it predates him quite a lot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 would any money coming in count towars ffp? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 6 minutes ago, Mountain said: So was it the Busy Babes and the tragedy that put them there? If you're saying they were the biggest club before Fergie then i assume it predates him quite a lot. Yep, it’s the Busby Babes’ success and then Munich which is the genesis of it. Sympathy turned to support. Before that, Man Utd were just another club which pulled big crowds (though not the biggest) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 Also, on Ashworth generally. Maybe he is the ‘best in class’ but so far he was at West Brom who won nowt, England who won nowt, Brighton who won nowt and NUFC, who won nowt! We’ll be fine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andycap Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 Bad craic this like joins us for the project and to make us a force in the future only to fuck off within a few short years for a club that is a shambles with regards to owners stadium falling to bits players who arent top four standard. If it was to go to city arsenal Liverpool fair enough he must be a money man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbers Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 Brighton haven't exactly struggled since he left, who know if thats because of what he did during his time there will only time will tell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 2 minutes ago, andycap said: Bad craic this like joins us for the project and to make us a force in the future only to fuck off within a few short years for a club that is a shambles with regards to owners stadium falling to bits players who arent top four standard. If it was to go to city arsenal Liverpool fair enough he must be a money man. Man Utd will be back amongst title chases quickly imo, quicker than us anyway. He’s not leaving us for Crystal Palace, he’s going to the biggest club in the country and one of the biggest in the world. As I say, don’t worry about it. We’ll get someone else, it’s nowt personal, they’re just bigger. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ7 Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 27 minutes ago, andycap said: Bad craic this like joins us for the project and to make us a force in the future only to fuck off within a few short years for a club that is a shambles with regards to owners stadium falling to bits players who arent top four standard. If it was to go to city arsenal Liverpool fair enough he must be a money man. I couldn’t think of a better job. They’re at a low, a total shambles and the only way is up. He has almost a blank canvas and loads to spend. I’m not actually that arsed though. I’d like to think we’ll bring in the right replacement. We’ve shown that we want the right structure in place for the club, and that doesn’t end because one person leaves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 43 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: Do you honestly think that those involved in scouting players just look at the player’s ability? Character comes into it. Clubs were able to find out in the ‘70s what a player’s vices were. Didn't he get an Italy callup after he joined us? Surely if it was as easy to get information on as people are suggesting then that wouldn't have happened. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Playmaker Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 I can’t remember where I read it(or watched it) but I remember Henry Winter saying that if Ashworth left Newcastle would go for Brentford sporting director Phil Giles. Henry Winter spoke very highly of him. I don’t know anything about him but he said that Phil Giles is a geordie and an avid Newcastle Fan. my choice of replacement would be Michael Edwards, but i trust in the ownership & whoever they pick will be right person for the job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BonesJones Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 31 minutes ago, Playmaker said: I can’t remember where I read it(or watched it) but I remember Henry Winter saying that if Ashworth left Newcastle would go for Brentford sporting director Phil Giles. Henry Winter spoke very highly of him. I don’t know anything about him but he said that Phil Giles is a geordie and an avid Newcastle Fan. my choice of replacement would be Michael Edwards, but i trust in the ownership & whoever they pick will be right person for the job. From the Brentford website. Growing up, Phil was a Newcastle United fan, since he was born there and his family are life long fans. His favourite player is Les Ferdinand (with apologies about the QPR connection)! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagten Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 (edited) 1 hour ago, lovejoy said: Also, on Ashworth generally. Maybe he is the ‘best in class’ but so far he was at West Brom who won nowt, England who won nowt, Brighton who won nowt and NUFC, who won nowt! We’ll be fine. At West Brom he oversaw the appointments of Di Matteo, Hodgson and Michael Appleton. At England, he was involved in the appointments of Hodgson, Allardyce and Southgate. At Brighton, he was no doubt involved in Potter, which is his only obvious hit. Further, as someone who works in the space, I have found his data appointments here pretty disappointing. I don’t have enough information to properly assess him, but I don’t get what’s so obviously excellent about him. Edited February 14 by Jagten Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colos Short and Curlies Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 2 hours ago, huss9 said: would any money coming in count towars ffp? Yes, and he has no book value so its all profit in the bank (assuming we don't then spend the same amount prizing someone away from their club). If the compensation is £20m its essentially the same as selling Longstaff for £20m Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLUMPO235 Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 2 minutes ago, Colos Short and Curlies said: Yes, and he has no book value so its all profit in the bank (assuming we don't then spend the same amount prizing someone away from their club). If the compensation is £20m its essentially the same as selling Longstaff for £20m Right. So we need to start selling back room staff to Saudi teams. How many million can we get for the tea lady before liverfool start whinging? is it too late to get Derek wright and his wet sponge back, he must be worth something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 Not been overly impressed with Ashworth's five minutes here, so let's take the money, make him wait + ultimately replace him with someone better. Easy peasy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 4 hours ago, Jagten said: At West Brom he oversaw the appointments of Di Matteo, Hodgson and Michael Appleton. At England, he was involved in the appointments of Hodgson, Allardyce and Southgate. At Brighton, he was no doubt involved in Potter, which is his only obvious hit. Further, as someone who works in the space, I have found his data appointments here pretty disappointing. I don’t have enough information to properly assess him, but I don’t get what’s so obviously excellent about him. Likewise. I’m never trusting of being told someone is fantastic with little data or information to support why that person is so fantastic. Interested to note that you’re unimpressed by his data analysis appointments (and I imagine you’d have been very much casting your eyes across that). Didn’t you mention previously that Liverpool’s team was Harvard PhD types, and ours … weren’t? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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