bobbydazzla Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Nucasol said: Unless they’ve let 10000 people in the queue in from 10:00 as a Battle Royale free-for-all someone’s telling porkies. It’s like they think we’re not even smart enough to do simple sums Someone on here said it was sold out by position 450. I know it was definitely sold out by my position 790. It’s a maximum of 6 x tickets per membership transaction, it’s not possible to buy more than that. 15,000 tickets are available. Let’s say usually 40% go in the general sale. Even if every member before me maxed out their 6 x tickets, there should have been 1000ish left when I got in. And there should have been billions left when 450 got in. Every explanation NUFC have given is just chinny reckon. Edited February 25 by bobbydazzla Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 3 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said: That's just blatant lies though. I can go on the stadium plan right now and see seats that all season have been available for standard admission prices now showing as £720 seats with a knife and fork symbol on them instead of a solid blue colour. Staggering that they are prepared to peddle this untruth when anyone can access the stadium plan and see it for what it is. A pack of lies. You’ve still got access to them though. Just for about 10/12 times the cost… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 2 minutes ago, SteV said: You’ve still got access to them though. Just for about 10/12 times the cost… So most people haven't really then have they? How many members do you reckon can just pull out £720 like that? Pretty silly from you that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 1 hour ago, Tross said: For this fixture, we followed exactly the same process used for all other matches this season. Mags Members had access to the same amount of ticket allocation as every other match in the 25/26 season, through the same official channels— the Mags Member Ballot and the Mags Member Sale. Demand for tickets continues to be significantly higher than the number of seats available, which means that some supporters will unfortunately miss out, even when doing everything correctly. To explain this in more detail, we’ve recently updated our ticketing transparency statement. This outlines how tickets are allocated, the current demand picture, and what we’re doing to keep supporters better informed. You can read it here: https://www.newcastleunited.com/en/news/newcastle-united-ticketing-update astonishing, this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 Just now, Wallsendmag said: So most people haven't really then have they? How many members do you reckon can just pull out £720 like that? Pretty silly from you that. Whether people can afford it is a different point entirely. The statement might be morally questionable, but it isn’t “lies” as such is it? That’s the point I’m making. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 Just now, SteV said: Whether people can afford it is a different point entirely. The statement might be morally questionable, but it isn’t “lies” as such is it? That’s the point I’m making. It is really. If they were accessible to your average member they wouldn't still be on sale now would they? *If they priced your season ticket at £5,000 next season technically it's still accessible, only it isn't really. *The £720 they are charging for a Leazes End ticket would be £13,680 over the full 19 games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vedder Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 When it comes to memberships, we really need to look at models adopted by the likes of Liverpool and Chelsea. They have more sophisticated models that are able to reward loyalty, give some access to away tickets etc etc. We've stuck with the same model pretty much since the takeover. If we want to be a big club, we have to adapt much better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 (edited) 1 minute ago, Vedder said: When it comes to memberships, we really need to look at models adopted by the likes of Liverpool and Chelsea. They have more sophisticated models that are able to reward loyalty, give some access to away tickets etc etc. We've stuck with the same model pretty much since the takeover. If we want to be a big club, we have to adapt much better. Arsenal as well I believe colour code their memberships based on loyalty. Start off on red, move up to silver etc. Ours is pretty much the worst I've come across. Edited February 25 by Wallsendmag Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 Just now, Wallsendmag said: It is really. If they were accessible to your average member they wouldn't still be on sale now would they? *If they priced your season ticket at £5,000 next season technically it's still accessible, only it isn't really. *The £720 they are charging for a Leazes End ticket would be £13,680 over the full 19 games. We’re getting into semantics, which is a waste of time for everyone, but I suppose the point I’m making is that if anyone was to challenge the club on that statement and say it was false, they’d come back with the point I made. If they were asked if members had access to the usual number of standard/non-hospitality tickets, and they said that, well you could definitively say it wasn’t true. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 1 minute ago, SteV said: We’re getting into semantics, which is a waste of time for everyone, but I suppose the point I’m making is that if anyone was to challenge the club on that statement and say it was false, they’d come back with the point I made. If they were asked if members had access to the usual number of standard/non-hospitality tickets, and they said that, well you could definitively say it wasn’t true. It's not semantics at all though. There's less general admission ticket on sale for this game as there usually is. Fact. The majority of members can't afford £720 for a ticket for 1 football match. Fact. If I am wrong here then there still wouldn't be tickets on sale for this game. There are. They've taken away lots of usually accessible tickets available to members and made them unaccessible. Fact. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 1 minute ago, Wallsendmag said: It's not semantics at all though. There's less general admission ticket on sale for this game as there usually is. Fact. So it is semantics, because they didn’t say general admission tickets in the statement. They just said “same amount of ticket allocation”. Look, I’m with you that it’s all a bit shady. But if you want to take them to task about it, you have to try and pin them down to specifics and not give them an easy out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 2 minutes ago, SteV said: So it is semantics, because they didn’t say general admission tickets in the statement. They just said “same amount of ticket allocation”. Look, I’m with you that it’s all a bit shady. But if you want to take them to task about it, you have to try and pin them down to specifics and not give them an easy out. They've moved the goalposts for 1 game and 1 game only. They've taken general admission seats off sale, seats that would probably cost £60 or thereabouts and replaced them with seats that they are selling for £720. It's literally there for all to see on their website now. That's a specific that they can be taken to task on. Fewer general admission tickets on sale for this match then all the others. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 1 minute ago, Wallsendmag said: They've moved the goalposts for 1 game and 1 game only. They've taken general admission seats off sale, seats that would probably cost £60 or thereabouts and replaced them with seats that they are selling for £720. It's literally there for all to see on their website now. That's a specific that they can be taken to task on. Fewer general admission tickets on sale for this match then all the others. Totally agree. That however doesn’t directly contradict what they said in that statement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattypnufc Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 I mean it’s fairly obvious too that somethings amiss. I’ve not missed out on ANY general sale game, as a member, in the last three seasons, by me and my cousin managing to get a queue number lower than 5000 or so. Quite telling that a queue number of 3k there was nothing barring around 5 youth and all those hospitality shite too. Then come on here and people reporting 300-800 queue numbers and there being nothing left. Given there should even be an extra 500 tickets additionally with the reduction in allocation (minus the extra segregation). Either they’ve allocated more out to the ballot percentage wise, which I doubt, or they’ve given more away to f&f, sold more to corporate/reserved more for hospitality. Or have held some back to drip feed into the hospitality pot to see how the sales go, and then release some nearer the time. Either way, just fucking be honest with your fans, don’t do sly as fuck manoeuvres and pretend nothings amiss. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 5 minutes ago, SteV said: Totally agree. That however doesn’t directly contradict what they said in that statement. It does really. If a house in Darras Hall goes up for sale for £2m it's essentially available for anyone to purchase. Only it isn't. It's for a select few. If these seats were accessible to members they wouldn't still be on sale now as we type this. I know that, you know that, NUFC know that. They've changed the rules for 1 match. It's wrong. We all know that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 4 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said: It does really. If a house in Darras Hall goes up for sale for £2m it's essentially available for anyone to purchase. Only it isn't. It's for a select few. If these seats were accessible to members they wouldn't still be on sale now as we type this. I know that, you know that, NUFC know that. They've changed the rules for 1 match. It's wrong. We all know that. Morally it maybe does, yes. But factually, I can’t see how it does. However, still feels like we’re going round in circles due to semantics, which is never a riveting read. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 (edited) 13 minutes ago, mattypnufc said: I mean it’s fairly obvious too that somethings amiss. I’ve not missed out on ANY general sale game, as a member, in the last three seasons, by me and my cousin managing to get a queue number lower than 5000 or so. Quite telling that a queue number of 3k there was nothing barring around 5 youth and all those hospitality shite too. Then come on here and people reporting 300-800 queue numbers and there being nothing left. Given there should even be an extra 500 tickets additionally with the reduction in allocation (minus the extra segregation). Either they’ve allocated more out to the ballot percentage wise, which I doubt, or they’ve given more away to f&f, sold more to corporate/reserved more for hospitality. Or have held some back to drip feed into the hospitality pot to see how the sales go, and then release some nearer the time. Either way, just fucking be honest with your fans, don’t do sly as fuck manoeuvres and pretend nothings amiss. It’s the bare faced lies and snidey behind the scenes manoeuvres from NUFC that pisses me off more than not getting a ticket. I pay £1500 a year for tickets and they treat me like I’m thick as fuck and worth nowt to them as a customer. And I’m not the only one in that boat, there’s loads of us. Guaranteed that if more tickets are released it’ll be via that secret second ballot scheme that they run without telling anyone that they’re going to be running it. Edited February 25 by bobbydazzla Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 (edited) 22 minutes ago, SteV said: Morally it maybe does, yes. But factually, I can’t see how it does. However, still feels like we’re going round in circles due to semantics, which is never a riveting read. They literally lied in the very first sentence in their reply mate; "For this fixture, we followed exactly the same process used for all other matches this season". They didn't. Edited February 25 by Wallsendmag Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopL0ader Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 3 hours ago, Wallsendmag said: They literally lied in the very first sentence in their reply mate; "For this fixture, we followed exactly the same process used for all other matches this season". They didn't. I get what @SteV is saying. Quote "For this fixture, we followed exactly the same process used for all other matches this season" The process is exactly the same as all others so the club didn't lie, you just misinterpreted their reply. Process Members ballot open Members ballot closes Ballot run Window for seat selection for ballot winners opens Window for seat selection for ballot winners closes Season ticket forwarding Members general sale Above is the process for the Sunderland game and is exactly the same as every other game meaning the clubs quote is correct. I completely agree it's garbage and tickets being released on general sale HAS to be less than normal but the process was still the same. @SteV post earlier sets out the same confirming the club haven't gone against any rules or guidelines they have set. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 Exactly. The process was unchanged. Just the quantity of tickets up for grabs via the process. Lowest number I heard unsuccessful was 390. Out of interest those not happy with the club I take it were all just using one device and one browser as permitted? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Wallsendmag Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 (edited) 8 hours ago, TopL0ader said: I get what @SteV is saying. The process is exactly the same as all others so the club didn't lie, you just misinterpreted their reply. Process Members ballot open Members ballot closes Ballot run Window for seat selection for ballot winners opens Window for seat selection for ballot winners closes Season ticket forwarding Members general sale Above is the process for the Sunderland game and is exactly the same as every other game meaning the clubs quote is correct. I completely agree it's garbage and tickets being released on general sale HAS to be less than normal but the process was still the same. @SteV post earlier sets out the same confirming the club haven't gone against any rules or guidelines they have set. Depends on how you want to interpret the word "process" I suppose. They've changed the % split between corporate and non corporate and will revert back to usual for the following game v Bournemouth. That's a change in the ticket allocation process as far as I'm concerned. As an example if they turned round in the summer and said we're making the entire Leazes End corporate for next season. Every season ticket holder in there can renew but your £700 season ticket is now £5,000 and you can go to a restaurant in town before the match for some scran. I'd consider that a change in the usual ticketing process. Suppose ultimately it makes no odds to me (or the ST holders on here for this game). I had no intention of going in the ballot or getting tickets anyway but I can see why it would stick in the throats of those who failed in the ballot and then the members sale (or what there was of it compared to usual). What it does mean is that there'll likely be another poor, sterile atmosphere and you'll have a load of mackems up in Level 7 taking the piss about how dead the place is because they won't be able to hear the home fans as the only ones making any noise will be too far away. Just a shame this is where we're at these days. Modern football eh! Edited February 26 by Wallsendmag Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 (edited) 8 hours ago, LFEE said: Exactly. The process was unchanged. Just the quantity of tickets up for grabs via the process. Lowest number I heard unsuccessful was 390. Out of interest those not happy with the club I take it were all just using one device and one browser as permitted? So at 6 x tickets each, for 390 to fail that means max number of tickets allocated was 2500ish. Out of 15,000. And when I’ve had 2 x ballot wins in 44 applications, of course I’m using multi browsers. If I didn’t I’ve paid £80 fee to go to 2 games in 2 seasons. The bloke who works in ticketing asked me at the ticketing workshop if I used multi browsers and I said definitely yes and explained why. I didn’t say I “followed process”. I know you support members, but not sure why you’re backing the club on this. You seem OK with many thousands of tickets being siphoned off, cos PSR. How will you feel if next season they decide to adjust the T’s & C’s to allow them to suspend season tickets for Cat A games because demand is expected to be so high. If you want to attend you have to apply with members. And NUFC won’t reveal how many tickets are available. It’d be amazing for PSR and keeping sponsors happy. Edited February 26 by bobbydazzla Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 (edited) 8 hours ago, TopL0ader said: I get what @SteV is saying. The process is exactly the same as all others so the club didn't lie, you just misinterpreted their reply. Process Members ballot open Members ballot closes Ballot run Window for seat selection for ballot winners opens Window for seat selection for ballot winners closes Season ticket forwarding Members general sale Above is the process for the Sunderland game and is exactly the same as every other game meaning the clubs quote is correct. I completely agree it's garbage and tickets being released on general sale HAS to be less than normal but the process was still the same. @SteV post earlier sets out the same confirming the club haven't gone against any rules or guidelines they have set. But NUFC also said this: Mags Members had access to the same amount of ticket allocation as every other match in the 25/26 season, through the same official channels— the Mags Member Ballot and the Mags Member Sale. So either they TopLOaded the ballot, or they’ve lied. Edited February 26 by bobbydazzla Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hovagod Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 Another thing is, is Sunderland that big a draw for the types that pay stupid money to attend football? The only real appeal of the game is surely the atmosphere that people would expect of a derby. An atmosphere that is going to be impossible to generate when you’re selling tickets for behind the goal for 700 quid. It’s a crass money grab by the club, and a completely self-defeating one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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