bobbydazzla Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 (edited) Imagine this scenario, if you will... We get to the Champs League semis against Real Madrid. NUFC knows that they can charge a fortune for hospitality tickets and the demand is huge, for PSR reasons they want tens of thousands of these high price tickets to be available for sale. They decide that selling high price tickets is a higher priority than keeping season ticket holders happy. So season ticket holders are told the cup scheme doesn’t apply for this game. You can enter a ballot to get a ticket but we’re not telling you how many tickets are available. If you don’t get one in the ballot you can enter an online sale, but we’re not telling you how many tickets are available in that either. Season ticker holders fail in the ballot. Season ticket holders join the online sale and all tickets are sold out by 400th place in the queue. How are our season ticket holders feeling about the prospect of that ? Because that’s what’s happened to members this week. Edited February 24 by bobbydazzla Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holloway Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 Reading this lot has tipped it for me, I won't renew membership next season. I'll continue to get fat,drunk,and talk shite from my armchair Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitley mag Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 27 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said: Imagine this scenario, if you will... We get to the Champs League semis against Real Madrid. NUFC knows that they can charge a fortune for hospitality tickets and the demand is huge, for PSR reasons they want tens of thousands of these high price tickets to be available for sale. They decide that selling high price tickets is a higher priority than keeping season ticket holders happy. So season ticket holders are told the cup scheme doesn’t apply for this game. You can enter a ballot to get a ticket but we’re not telling you how many tickets are available. If you don’t get one in the ballot you can enter an online sale, but we’re not telling you how many tickets are available in that either. Season ticker holders fail in the ballot. Season ticket holders join the online sale and all tickets are sold out by 400th place in the queue. How are our season ticket holders feeling about the prospect of that ? Because that’s what’s happened to members this week. Nail on the head it’s almost as if where happy to let you have access to run of the mill games, but if a big game comes along we’ll reduce the allocation to cash in and fuck your membership. The Trust need to really push them on what’s happening here. At the start of the season in the t&c’s they should publish exactly the minimum number of tickets on sale for each game to members for transparency, irrelevant of the opposition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucasol Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 1 minute ago, Whitley mag said: Nail on the head it’s almost as if where happy to let you have access to run of the mill games, but if a big game comes along we’ll reduce the allocation to cash in and fuck your membership. The Trust need to really push them on what’s happening here. At the start of the season in the t&c’s they should publish exactly the minimum number of tickets on sale for each game to members for transparency, irrelevant of the opposition. We’ll give you as many tickets as you can have for Bradford but fuck you if you try applying for Barca or the mackems. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 Yeah, I guess they will just use the banal explanation that some games are higher demand than others. Which is true, but doesn't explain things like number of tickets on sale, number of corporate, number of tickets captured by touts etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 I almost think like we're at the point where the membership needs to say something like "access to 1-3 tickets per season via ballot, access to 10am general sales if your queue position is under 2,000" or something like that. Not mentioning how hard it is to get a ticket is almost false advertising at this point Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 (edited) 1 hour ago, Whitley mag said: Nail on the head it’s almost as if where happy to let you have access to run of the mill games, but if a big game comes along we’ll reduce the allocation to cash in and fuck your membership. The Trust need to really push them on what’s happening here. At the start of the season in the t&c’s they should publish exactly the minimum number of tickets on sale for each game to members for transparency, irrelevant of the opposition. 15,000 tickets have been sold. We just want to know how they were distributed. How many were allocated to the ballot ? Can they be confident that these were won by accounts owned by real fans, not touts. How many were allocated to the general sale ? And if it was thousands of tickets and they were hoovered up by a few hundred people, has the club looked into those accounts to ensure they're real people not touts with bots. How many haven't been placed in either general sale or ballot ? And who are those tickets being made available to. If I miss out on a ticket because another genuine match-going Newcastle fan has got one ahead of me through the normal process, then that's fine. I can live with that. But if I miss out on a ticket because NUFC isn't willing to secure its ticket buying process to stop touts getting tickets, then I think I've got a right to kick off about that. Edited February 24 by bobbydazzla Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitley mag Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 (edited) 42 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said: 15,000 tickets have been sold. We just want to know how they were distributed. How many were allocated to the ballot ? Can they be confident that these were won by accounts owned by real fans, not touts. How many were allocated to the general sale ? And if it was thousands of tickets and they were hoovered up by a few hundred people, has the club looked into those accounts to ensure they're real people not touts with bots. How many haven't been placed in either general sale or ballot ? And who are those tickets being made available to. If I miss out on a ticket because another lifelong match-going Newcastle fan has got one ahead of me through the normal process, then that's fine. I can live with that. But if I miss out on a ticket because NUFC isn't willing to secure its ticket buying process to stop touts getting tickets, then I think I've got a right to kick off about that. Every major club and concert event is open to attack from bots, it’s a hard one to crack. They absolutely should be doing all they can and Wallsend Mag give them evidence of a purchase he made from a third party site and they weren’t interested. I suspect they’d have been interested had he notified them before using it, probably because they’d have cancelled it and then re-sold it again themselves. I’m more enraged by the fact they’ve taken general admission seats off sale to sell at marked up prices. That is a choice they’ve made at the expense of members and the atmosphere inside the stadium in one of our biggest games of the season. It’s a dreadful precedent to set and will kill the whats left of the SJP atmosphere. Edited February 24 by Whitley mag Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Whitley mag said: Every major club and concert event is open to attack from bots, it’s a hard one to crack. They absolutely should be doing all they can and Wallsend Mag give them evidence of a purchase he made from a third party site and they weren’t interested. I suspect they’d have been interested had he notified them before using it, probably because they’d have cancelled it and then re-sold it again themselves. I’m more enraged by the fact they’ve taken general admission seats off sale to sell at marked up prices. That is a choice they’ve made at the expense of members and the atmosphere inside the stadium in one of our biggest games of the season. It’s a dreadful precedent to set and will kill the whats left of the SJP atmosphere. Agree that it's a dreadful precedent. However, as others have said, it's the 35,000 who have guaranteed tickets for the game that should be the ones we can rely on for creating an atmosphere. There's more than double the amount of ST's than members and in the clubs eyes they're our most highly regarded fans, so they should take it upon themselves to do what's needed. Edited February 24 by bobbydazzla Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 2 hours ago, bobbydazzla said: Imagine this scenario, if you will... We get to the Champs League semis against Real Madrid. NUFC knows that they can charge a fortune for hospitality tickets and the demand is huge, for PSR reasons they want tens of thousands of these high price tickets to be available for sale. They decide that selling high price tickets is a higher priority than keeping season ticket holders happy. So season ticket holders are told the cup scheme doesn’t apply for this game. You can enter a ballot to get a ticket but we’re not telling you how many tickets are available. If you don’t get one in the ballot you can enter an online sale, but we’re not telling you how many tickets are available in that either. Season ticker holders fail in the ballot. Season ticket holders join the online sale and all tickets are sold out by 400th place in the queue. How are our season ticket holders feeling about the prospect of that ? Because that’s what’s happened to members this week. Absolutely fantastic way of summarising this, and who's to say it would never happen either? Your season ticket guarantees 19 home league games and nothing else. Just been reading irate comments from Rangers ST holders who will miss out on the cup game v Celtic because Celtic have been given an increased allocation and there's nowhere else for them to move to. As annoying as that is for them, it's in the Terms and conditions of their season tickets so they haven't got a leg to stand on. NUFC don't need to keep their ST holders happy. In fact they'd rather be without them these days I suspect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 15 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said: Absolutely fantastic way of summarising this, and who's to say it would never happen either? Your season ticket guarantees 19 home league games and nothing else. Just been reading irate comments from Rangers ST holders who will miss out on the cup game v Celtic because Celtic have been given an increased allocation and there's nowhere else for them to move to. As annoying as that is for them, it's in the Terms and conditions of their season tickets so they haven't got a leg to stand on. NUFC don't need to keep their ST holders happy. In fact they'd rather be without them these days I suspect. They’d have to change the T&C’s of the cup scheme if they wanted to do that. Not saying they can’t/won’t do that going forward (although feels unlikely to me) but a scenario like @bobbydazzla outlined can’t really happen at present as they’d be breaching what they set out in the current iteration of the cup scheme. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 1 minute ago, SteV said: They’d have to change the T&C’s of the cup scheme if they wanted to do that. Not saying they can’t/won’t do that going forward (although feels unlikely to me) but a scenario like @bobbydazzla outlined can’t really happen at present as they’d be breaching what they set out in the current iteration of the cup scheme. They could do that if they wanted to. T&C's mean absolutely nowt anyway. We seen that in 1993 when they turfed fans out the Milburn Stand to make way for the Platinum Club. The T&Cs of their bonds said they had a right to their seat for 99 years. NUFC decided they didn't any more. Bond holders took it to court. NUFC won. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 Just now, Wallsendmag said: They could do that if they wanted to. T&C's mean absolutely nowt anyway. We seen that in 1993 when they turfed fans out the Milburn Stand to make way for the Platinum Club. The T&Cs of their bonds said they had a right to their seat for 99 years. NUFC decided they didn't any more. Bond holders took it to court. NUFC won. Irrespective of the legal aspect, it would be PR suicide to do that mid-season. The negative press coverage would be astronomical, and nowhere near the hassle. But like I say, I wouldn’t necessarily rule out them changing it from the start of a future season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucasol Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 Other things to look out for in terms of direction of travel will be passing on your ticket to a relative in the event of a death. I can imagine this gets quietly done away with or the time for transfer whittled down to days. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 1 minute ago, SteV said: Irrespective of the legal aspect, it would be PR suicide to do that mid-season. The negative press coverage would be astronomical, and nowhere near the hassle. But like I say, I wouldn’t necessarily rule out them changing it from the start of a future season. I actually think they would be quite happy if the stir caused a few thousand ST holders to spit the dummy and call it a day. Plays nicely into their hands. The football landscape has changed dramatically post COVID. Your season ticket holder used to be your bread and butter, your guaranteed income. Nowadays they are paying £700 for a seat that they can dress up as corporate and make that in a couple of games, or sell singly for 70 quid and get it back in 10, probably a lot less as they'd bank on this type of fan spending a lot more money on various extra NUFC products than the average ST holder who may buy a pint at beforehand or at HT. As for PR disasters, I don't think that's something NUFC have ever really been arsed about. Turfing people out the Milburn Stand for the Platinum Club, out the Leazes for a Sports Bar, banning ST holders for transferring tickets to family members, banning ST holders for standing up, doubling ticket prices in the space of a few years, bringing in the ballot without proper consultation and so on. Ultimately they'll do what they want to do, and more importantly what will bring in the most revenue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 1 minute ago, Nucasol said: passing on your ticket to a relative in the event of a death. That’s one that massively splits opinion. I believe @AyeDubbleYoo (apologies if it wasn’t you) once likened it to having the effect of a hereditary peerage 🤣 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Nucasol said: Other things to look out for in terms of direction of travel will be passing on your ticket to a relative in the event of a death. I can imagine this gets quietly done away with or the time for transfer whittled down to days. It's still a thing at the minute. A friend of mine done it just before Xmas. Quite a simple procedure that involved visiting the ticket office with some ID and a copy of the death certificate. Loyalty points carried over as well. Think they'll do away with that soon mind. Edited February 24 by Wallsendmag Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 Just now, Wallsendmag said: It's still a thing at the minute. A friend of mine done it just before Xmas. Quite a simple procedure that involved visiting the ticket office with some ID and a copy of the death certificate. Loyalty points carried over as well. I’d be interested to gauge opinions on that? Is it as simple as current ST holders think it should continue, and non-ST holders (who want one) think it shouldn’t? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 Not sure cancelling season ticket holders ability to pass on their tickets, when they pass on, is a hill I'd wish die on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 3 minutes ago, Groundhog63 said: Not sure cancelling season ticket holders ability to pass on their tickets, when they pass on, is a hill I'd wish die on. Don’t worry, I reckon @AyeDubbleYoo would be right there next to you…. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 5 minutes ago, SteV said: I’d be interested to gauge opinions on that? Is it as simple as current ST holders think it should continue, and non-ST holders (who want one) think it shouldn’t? I suppose technically the season ticket should "die" with the owner and be resold but it's always been the way that you can pass it down after death. Not sure if it's the case elsewhere as I remember Man Utd having season ticket holders listed as being 120 years old because it was being renewed by family members long after the owner was deceased. Think they ended up having some sort of amnesty in the end. It's a very popular thing to do on the Continent I'm led to believe. Remember doing a PSV stadium tour many years ago and the guide was an elderly chap who had a season ticket and he said it would be left in his will for his son to take on when he dies and it was commonplace at the likes of PSV, Ajax and Feyenoord where demand for season tickets far outstrips supply. Pretty sure it's the same in Germany as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 1 minute ago, Wallsendmag said: I suppose technically the season ticket should "die" with the owner and be resold but it's always been the way that you can pass it down after death. Not sure if it's the case elsewhere as I remember Man Utd having season ticket holders listed as being 120 years old because it was being renewed by family members long after the owner was deceased. Think they ended up having some sort of amnesty in the end. It's a very popular thing to do on the Continent I'm led to believe. Remember doing a PSV stadium tour many years ago and the guide was an elderly chap who had a season ticket and he said it would be left in his will for his son to take on when he dies and it was commonplace at the likes of PSV, Ajax and Feyenoord where demand for season tickets far outstrips supply. Pretty sure it's the same in Germany as well. Yes, that’s a point, if they stopped it, folk would just renew without informing the club of the death, and it would probably only come to light through the registered age reaching a point where it should flag something. Although I think eventually we’ll probably get some kind of entry technology that you can’t really get round, be it facial recognition, fingerprint, or whatever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 (edited) You don't even need to die to pass your ST on, I know of two lads whose nanna's are alive and kicking but wanted to stop going to games so passed their tickets on to their grandsons in the last 12 months. Just changed the name and all sorted. They're like family heirlooms. We've got a generation of nepo-fans coming through. Edited February 24 by bobbydazzla Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 (edited) 25 minutes ago, SteV said: I’d be interested to gauge opinions on that? Is it as simple as current ST holders think it should continue, and non-ST holders (who want one) think it shouldn’t? I don’t think it should continue. It’s a seat in a football stadium, not a family heirloom. And that’s not because I want a season ticket. It’s simply that I don’t believe in nepotism. Personally I’d give first dibs on any new ST’s to 18-25’s. And I’m not in that age bracket. Edited February 24 by bobbydazzla Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 (edited) 22 minutes ago, SteV said: Don’t worry, I reckon @AyeDubbleYoo would be right there next to you…. I think in principle every ticket should just go back on sale if the owner decides not to go to a match. However, I get that football fans are used to being able to decide who gets their ticket and it would be a shock. That’s on a match by match basis though, you should absolutely not be able to assign a ST to another person permanently. Can’t see any case for that at all, it’s not the landed gentry. Edited February 24 by AyeDubbleYoo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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