Now That's What I Call Transfer Rumours! 7

[KaKa]

2 minutes ago, STM said:

 

It has been utterly bizarre. Edwards saying 50m budget last summer or whatever.

 

I think it's pure guesswork.

 

Yeah, seems I've been giving them way too much credit by assuming they were quoting those figures based on the actual outlay we'd be shelling out upfront.

 

 

Edited May 28, 2023 by KaKa

[WilliamPS]

People are getting confused between cashflow and income/expenditure 

 

When you buy a pair of trainers on klarna or PayPal instalments the money leaves your account in 3 monthly instalments but it doesn’t change what you pay overall or how much the shoes cost, it only changes when the money leaves your account. Same with transfer fees - the exception being any performance related payments.

 

For FFP afaik the payments schedule has zero impact, so the outstanding balance on any transfers probably won’t impact the transfer budget at all

[rebelrouser]

1 hour ago, Dr Jinx said:

I think 35-40 million gets Maddison done now, maybe less.

Other teams will drive the price up.  Also, we get £37M for fourth place finish and a rumored £25M for the new shirt sponsor. The estimates of our budget are never accurate. They started out to be ridiculously high and then went ridiculously low. I think the club likes the really low guesses. 

[STM]

I'd be phoning up Leicester on Monday morning. I'd ask about Barnes too while I'm at it.

 

Dunno why but I can see Barnes at West Ham or Villa.

[TRon]

14 minutes ago, STM said:

I'd be phoning up Leicester on Monday morning. I'd ask about Barnes too while I'm at it.

 

Dunno why but I can see Barnes at West Ham or Villa.

 

That will only be because we have higher value targets in our sights now.

[Alberto2005]

Where is Barnes going to play? We've already got ASM, Gordon, Joelinton, even Isak who can play wide left.

You don't buy Gordon and Barnes, we need to back Gordon now and hope a full pre-season helps him show his qualities.

We need more quality on the right, Almiron and Murphy isn't good enough.

[Keegans Export]

1 hour ago, McCormick said:

I said just less than 150m. Not really getting 3 CL quality players for 100m, let alone 4-5.

Trippier, Botman & Bruno cost less than £150m tbf

 

Obviously I'm quibbling over semantics but the truth is that our ongoing success is going to depend on finding players that are (or can quickly become) CL quality without paying CL-quality money. Especially as the CL money is only guaranteed for this coming season, while the FFP impacts will continue.

[Dr.Spaceman]

Who gives a shite what anyone thinks our budget might be? Nobody has any idea what we've got to play with. Anyone saying we've got X, Y or Z is plucking ball-park figures out of thin air based on pure guesswork.

 

Just save yourself the hassle and enjoy the summer 

[Numbers]

Not sure I like the banter of "the big clubs will dwarf us" like. Even its true i dont need to hear that shit

[Cronky]

I'm inclined to believe Eddie when he says two or three signings from a limited pool of possible targets. Obviously they have to be better than who we've got, but not so good that they will have the interest of the big six, who I think will still out-compete us in terms of wages as well as transfer fees.

 

£40m for Maddison would be a steal because he's approaching his peak, but unless we're the only club he'd consider, I'm sure Leicester will be able to drive the price up via an auction.

 

Left back is our weakest area, but I'm not convinced that any of the big six will sell to us, so that would rule out Tierney. Augusto from Monza has impressed me, but there's got to be quite a few LBs who are better than Burn or Targett, so I'm confident we'll get someone.

 

Kim Min-jae looks good, but is he too good to be within our reach right now, I wonder. Likewise Jonathan David. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Surely we can compete with the “big six” now? I don’t even know who they are now. 

[HaydnNUFC]

Spurs look fucked especially if Kane leaves so the big 6 may be over. Be a while before they're overtaken in terms of overall revenue though. 

[McDog]

4 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Surely we can compete with the “big six” now? I don’t even know who they are now. 

 

 

Big seven.

[sushimonster85]

7 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Surely we can compete with the “big six” now? I don’t even know who they are now. 

 

Premier League is now the 'big 1' and then a group of 7 or so who will jostle for position and will likely interchange the other top 4 spots depending on who either has no European competition, or doesn't care about the one they're in.

[McDog]

2 minutes ago, sushimonster85 said:

 

Premier League is now the 'big 1' and then a group of 7 or so who will jostle for position and will likely interchange the other top 4 spots depending on who either has no European competition, or doesn't care about the one they're in.

 

 

I so hate to admit you are right. Right now, yes. Future, don't count on it.

[Kimbo]

People don’t full understand what the big 6 is. It’s a voting block that conspired together to try to take over the league with project big picture. It’s an evil little elitist club that I hope we never join. Being good or successful doesn’t necessarily make you part of that block.

[LFEE]

24 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Surely we can compete with the “big six” now? I don’t even know who they are now. 

We are miles off. Our top earners are £110-125kpw. The others squad players are on more than that ?

[Lazarus]

3 hours ago, Mike said:

Have we signed Gnonto yet like.

 

Gnope

[TRon]

3 minutes ago, Kimbo said:

People don’t full understand what the big 6 is. It’s a voting block that conspired together to try to take over the league with project big picture. It’s an evil little elitist club that I hope we never join. Being good or successful doesn’t necessarily make you part of that block.

 

The fat snorter Samuels actually did a good job of exposing what a closed shop it is. My faith still lies in this ownership though. The cartel tried to stop them before and it didn't work. we'll find a way. Fuck them.

[Hughesy]

Think Lavia from Southampton could be a decent shout to strengthen our midfield a bit.  Although not sure if Man City have an option to buy him back.

[Manxst]

4 minutes ago, Hughesy said:

Think Lavia from Southampton could be a decent shout to strengthen our midfield a bit.  Although not sure if Man City have an option to buy him back.

Man City supposedly have a number of clauses with Lavia- They can match any bid, they also have a buyback clause, as well as a sell-on clause of 20 per cent. The buy back clause only activates in 2024, apparently. 

 

[TRon]

2 minutes ago, Manxst said:

Man City supposedly have a number of clauses with Lavia- They can match any bid, they also have a buyback clause, as well as a sell-on clause of 20 per cent. The buy back clause only activates in 2024, apparently. 

 

Liverpool and Chelsea will be after him as well.

[SteV]

9 minutes ago, LFEE said:

We are miles off. Our top earners are £110-125kpw. The others squad players are on more than that ?

Yep, I have reiterated this point before. You can pay transfer fees for players that haven’t yet quite made to elite level, but you think will, (like Bruno, Botman, Isak), that are roughly equivalent (or a tad below) to players that are elite level. However the difference in wages between the two is absolutely massive.

 

Having said that, how we’ve ended up getting Trippier in our current wage model is bit mental though.

[TheBrownBottle]

2 hours ago, KaKa said:

 

That's interesting man. Every time budgets are mentioned I've never looked at it as taking total fees into account, because the figures always seemed too small then.

 

I mean they wouldn't even make sense if that was the case. And so if that's what the press are actually doing then it's pretty bizarre.

No, that is definitely how it always works.  A budget of £100m means the total value of the players brought in, not the size of the available down payments.  The down payments wouldn’t make sense, given that if you did so you’d then have to calculate that window’s budget all of the payment installations from previous transfers.

14 minutes ago, Kimbo said:

People don’t full understand what the big 6 is. It’s a voting block that conspired together to try to take over the league with project big picture. It’s an evil little elitist club that I hope we never join. Being good or successful doesn’t necessarily make you part of that block.

It’s about purchase power as much as owt else.  How much of a revenue making monster you are.  And we’re still a long way off even Spurs - even with finishing third and CL qualification next season.  That’s why we don’t have £150m+ to spend in the summer - our turnover is still dwarfed by a struggling Spurs.  Spurs have roughly three times our match day revenues, and roughly the same multiplier against commercial income.  There’s a long way to go yet. 

[TheBrownBottle]

2 hours ago, STM said:

 

It has been utterly bizarre. Edwards saying 50m budget last summer or whatever.

 

I think it's pure guesswork.

FFP is pretty easy to calculate - Edwards was laughed at because he is full of shite.

 

But if you’re waiting for a £150m+ spend you’re going to be disappointed in September.  The only way that’s achievable is to do something as fucking stupid as Chelsea and tie players to eight-years deals.   The budget will be just over £100m, based on likely income and the previous two seasons.