Disco Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 Why are France unseeded when they won their group? Not all the group winners are seeded. The whole thing is a mess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 The draw involves the two-top finishers in the ten qualifying groups (completed in November 2019) and the eventual four play-off winners (decided in March 2020). Pot 1 Belgium Italy (hosts) England (hosts) Germany (hosts) Spain (hosts) Ukraine Pot 2 France Poland Switzerland Croatia Netherlands (hosts) Russia (hosts) Pot 3 Portugal Turkey Denmark (hosts) Austria Sweden Czech Republic Pot 4 Wales Finland Winner play-off Path A Winner play-off Path B Winner play-off Path C Winner play-off Path D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
morla84 Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 Current World cup holders and group winners in pot 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 So the current world champions and european champions are unseeded? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
morla84 Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 So the current world champions and european champions are unseeded? Portugal, holders of the euro and euro nations league trophies in pot 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 So the current world champions and european champions are unseeded? Portugal, holders of the euro and euro nations league trophies in pot 3 They can't hold a candle to the mighty Ukraine. Clownshoes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 It's absolutely bonkers how they've managed to totally fuck this up. UEFA are MENTAL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 That group of Ukraine, Switzerland and Sweden Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 Ukraine top seeds :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 Tbf they absolutely breezed a tricky group. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 Aye, that's Ukraine, who beat Portugal to top spot in their group. How dare they get a higher seed than them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 Aye, that's Ukraine, who beat Portugal to top spot in their group. How dare they get a higher seed than them. a higher seed than the fucking world champions though?! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 Aye, that's Ukraine, who beat Portugal to top spot in their group. How dare they get a higher seed than them. a higher seed than the fucking world champions though?! Whatever anyone did at the WC has no influence on the EC. For instance, the reigning WC champs could end up not competing in the next WC should they not qualify normally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 But France topped their group too. Why should they be lower seeds than Ukraine? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 But France topped their group too. Why should they be lower seeds than Ukraine? How are seedings calculated? Seedings are based on overall European Qualifiers rankings, which are determined as follows (results against teams in sixth place are discarded): a) final position in group b) points c) goal difference d) goals scored e) away goals scored f) number of wins g) number of away wins h) lower disciplinary points total (3 points for red card including for second booking, 1 point for single yellow card for a player in a match) i) position in overall UEFA Nations League rankings --- Fairly straightforward, unless France should be first seed based solely on being a historically bigger footballing nation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 It should surely take into account recent tournaments since they're the games that really matter. France have been beaten once in the last 2 tournaments and that was in the final of Euro 2016 in extra time. For a side to have that recent record, top their group in qualifying and not be seeded for the next tournament is mental. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 They're seeded, they're just not a top seed because of the seeding rules of the competition they are in. I really don't see the issue. There's a set of rules with regards to seeding in the competition they are competing, they didn't make the top cut because of those rules, which apply to each competing nation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 Hate to say this but I agree with Kaizero. In the World Cup finals, if you finish 2nd in your group, you play the team who finished 1st in another group. They don't just go "oh well you finished 2nd but you're Brazil so we're switching it round, you can play Cameroon instead of Germany" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 Hate to say this but I agree with Kaizero. In the World Cup finals, if you finish 2nd in your group, you play the team who finished 1st in another group. They don't just go "oh well you finished 2nd but you're Brazil so we're switching it round, you can play Cameroon instead of Germany" Mean. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 The important thing is Portugal get nothing for being holders, scum. Also certain teams should definitely have all home games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 But France topped their group too. Why should they be lower seeds than Ukraine? How are seedings calculated? Seedings are based on overall European Qualifiers rankings, which are determined as follows (results against teams in sixth place are discarded): a) final position in group b) points c) goal difference d) goals scored e) away goals scored f) number of wins g) number of away wins h) lower disciplinary points total (3 points for red card including for second booking, 1 point for single yellow card for a player in a match) i) position in overall UEFA Nations League rankings --- Fairly straightforward, unless France should be first seed based solely on being a historically bigger footballing nation. any seeding system that has the world cup champions and previous euros runner ups who topped their qualifying group below ukraine who lost all their matchs at euro 2016 and failed to qualify for the world cup is clearly flawed and needs an overhaul. This isn't about who's a bigger country its about france's recent record being excellent and somehow still being in pot 2 below a very mediocre team Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 Last tournament shouldn't bare any weight on how a team is seeded in the next tournament. Find it weird how France can be lower seeded than Ukraine when they have more points, better goal difference and more goals scored than them though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 But France topped their group too. Why should they be lower seeds than Ukraine? How are seedings calculated? Seedings are based on overall European Qualifiers rankings, which are determined as follows (results against teams in sixth place are discarded): a) final position in group b) points c) goal difference d) goals scored e) away goals scored f) number of wins g) number of away wins h) lower disciplinary points total (3 points for red card including for second booking, 1 point for single yellow card for a player in a match) i) position in overall UEFA Nations League rankings --- Fairly straightforward, unless France should be first seed based solely on being a historically bigger footballing nation. any seeding system that has the world cup champions and previous euros runner ups who topped their qualifying group below ukraine who lost all their matchs at euro 2016 and failed to qualify for the world cup is clearly flawed and needs an overhaul. This isn't about who's a bigger country its about france's recent record being excellent and somehow still being in pot 2 below a very mediocre team You can be World Cup holders and not qualify for the next World Cup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 Last tournament shouldn't bare any weight on how a team is seeded in the next tournament. Find it weird how France can be lower seeded than Ukraine when they have more points, better goal difference and more goals scored than them though. Ukraine is in a group of 5, France in a group of 6. Results against lowest team in 6-team groups are removed. Ukraine therefore has 20 points, France 19. Going by point b), as they are equal on point a), Ukraine gets the highest seed of the two. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newcastle Fan Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 Everyone should check out the insane scenes during the Casablanca Derby between raja vs wydad yesterday, fascinating game of football and crowd. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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