Lush Vlad Posted August 14, 2025 Share Posted August 14, 2025 (edited) 27 minutes ago, thomas said: I think there are two key differences that make this more than normal agitation - 1. In all those situations you at least had a chairman/dof in place who would have had some level of relationship with the player and their agent, and thus an ability to work things out. We don't and mitchell has fucked things up beyond all recognition. As much as I hate isak that fucker deserves a softball bat to the groin too. 2. In none of them - at least that I could find, happy to be wrong about it - could I find anything like a definitive statement of "i will never play for this club again" like isak's camp has issued. Or at least we think they've issued; I do trust Ornstein, Downie, et al wouldn't make up such a severe quote out of whole cloth. I don't know the future but I think instead of ever playing for us again it's more likely that he'd swallow his pride on the loyalty bonus, put in an official transfer request, and we get a deal done extremely late 1. Sounds like nobody has a good relationship with that cunt of an agent. I think it will be more down to Howe and if he wants him back in the team. Not a chance Isak just sits out for the year or half arses it if he wants a decent move next season. The whole Mitchell thing is quotes being smart after the event from journos, as per usual. Of course they all knew this was going on. But only just reported on it the last few weeks or so. Who could have briefed them on that, I wonder?..... 2. Pretty telling that there are no direct quotes from the agent, Isak or anyone in his camp. No transfer request, the supposed injury. Even though bridges may be burned. There are so many similarities with other high profile cases and it feels like a deliberate ploy to not entirely destroy all avenues back into the squad. Plausible deniability. Edited August 14, 2025 by Lush Vlad Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fountain Posted August 14, 2025 Share Posted August 14, 2025 1 hour ago, TRC said: Just sell him. Dudes a cunt and I don’t trust him to perform even if he stays Aye, just let Isak and Liverpool win. Then we just bend over next summer when someone wants to fuck us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas Posted August 14, 2025 Share Posted August 14, 2025 2 minutes ago, Keegans Export said: On the first point, the main relationship is between Howe and Isak. Whatever is happening at board/Director level pales into insignificance when it comes to brining a player back in from the cold. There may not have been an official statement from Kane (although there hasn't been one from Isak either...) but he didn't need to - he literally didn't play. He wasn't in the squad for their first game, came off the bench in the second then started the third. No, the first point is that they got to that stage over contractual issues and similar "gentlemen's agreements" and fixing it required leadership from the club besides the manager. They worked their issues out. Isak isn't coming to the table to work anything out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 14, 2025 Share Posted August 14, 2025 5 minutes ago, thomas said: I think there are two key differences that make this more than normal agitation - 1. In all those situations you at least had a chairman/dof in place who would have had some level of relationship with the player and their agent, and thus an ability to work things out. We don't and mitchell has fucked things up beyond all recognition. As much as I hate isak that fucker deserves a softball bat to the groin too. 2. In none of them - at least that I could find, happy to be wrong about it - could I find anything like a definitive statement of "i will never play for this club again" like isak's camp has issued. Or at least we think they've issued; I do trust Ornstein, Downie, et al wouldn't make up such a severe quote out of whole cloth. I don't know the future but I think instead of ever playing for us again it's more likely that he'd swallow his pride on the loyalty bonus, put in an official transfer request, and we get a deal done extremely late Sorry mate but I don't think " I will never play for the club again" has much clout when he realises he can't play for anyone else either, again I personally think he'll relent at some point when it sinks in. I'm not sure but I think a transfer request means his agent gets nowt which is unlikely since Isak appears to be his cash cow or whatever, fuck him anyway. Loads of cash for a "deal done extremely lately" is no good to us at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hovagod Posted August 14, 2025 Share Posted August 14, 2025 Just now, thomas said: No, the first point is that they got to that stage over contractual issues and similar "gentlemen's agreements" and fixing it required leadership from the club besides the manager. They worked their issues out. Isak isn't coming to the table to work anything out. He will have no choice when the window shuts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted August 14, 2025 Share Posted August 14, 2025 52 minutes ago, thomas said: how could eddie ever trust him on the pitch again? how could his teammates? He'd have to prove it on the training pitch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas Posted August 14, 2025 Share Posted August 14, 2025 Look - if you guys think he'll play for the first team again that's fine. I'm not even here to convince you otherwise. I just happen to believe it's an unsalvageable situation and different from prior star transfer disputes for the reasons I've listed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Displayname Posted August 14, 2025 Share Posted August 14, 2025 (edited) Is the deniability that plausible though? Would think most understands that Isak would have said something if those rumours from media people considered reliable weren't true. Edited August 14, 2025 by Displayname Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted August 14, 2025 Share Posted August 14, 2025 He can always peddle some bullshit like, “I said I wouldn’t play for them again unless we came to an understanding.” There are many ways he could peddle it to the public. Of course no one will truly believe him, but everyone can pretend and get on with things. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordiesteve710 Posted August 14, 2025 Share Posted August 14, 2025 56 minutes ago, thomas said: how could eddie ever trust him on the pitch again? how could his teammates? Because he's a professional footballer who is motivated by money, and goal/win bonuses exist. G-wagons ain't gonna pimp themselves yi knaa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggies Posted August 14, 2025 Share Posted August 14, 2025 (edited) All that really matters is the relationship Isak has with Howe, and to a certain extent the squad. If those bridges aren’t totally destroyed then there’s a chance he plays for us again. I think us fans will give him another chance if Howe asks us to. He’s lost any chance of legend status or warmth from the fans, but I don’t really think he was that adored anyway in comparison to Bruno or Tonali. Edited August 14, 2025 by Maggies Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guybrush Posted August 14, 2025 Share Posted August 14, 2025 Go full scorched earth on your agent, do an apology, and maybe, maybe you'll get in the first team enough to make the world cup, before being shipped off to anywhere but Liverpool in the summer. There's no long term future with him now, that much is clear. We get max a year out of him, and that's a 'best case scenario' if you want him playing for you at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordiesteve710 Posted August 14, 2025 Share Posted August 14, 2025 5 minutes ago, Displayname said: Is the deniability that plausible though? Would think most understands that Isak would have said something if those rumours from media people considered reliable weren't true. Not really, but it's there, whereas if he made an official statement or went rogue like Bellamy with a Sky Sports interview then it wouldn't exist at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Displayname Posted August 14, 2025 Share Posted August 14, 2025 1 minute ago, Maggies said: All that really matters is the relationship Isak has with Howe, and to a certain extent the squad. If those bridges aren’t totally destroyed then there’s a chance he plays for us again. I think us fans will give him another chance if Howe asks us to. He’s lost any chance of legend status or warmth from the fans, but I don’t really think he was that adored anyway in comparison to Bruno or Tonali. Was my favorite along with Tonali, thats why I'm so mad Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted August 14, 2025 Share Posted August 14, 2025 Just now, Maggies said: All the really matters is the relationship Isak has with Howe, and to a certain extent the squad. If those bridges aren’t totally destroyed then there’s a chance he plays for us again. I think us fans will give him another chance if Howe asks us to. He’s lost any chance of legend status or warmth from the fans, but I don’t really think he was that adored anyway in comparison to Bruno or Tonali. When it comes down to it they're professional. If Isak were to come back and put the work in theyd get on with it, not as before but better than not, knowing it's temporary. Like splitting up with a partner but living amicably in the same gaff until able to move on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 14, 2025 Share Posted August 14, 2025 Don't get me wrong Thomas, I'd rather he was interred in a big tin of Surströmming but I cant see anyway we can let him go as things stand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 14, 2025 Share Posted August 14, 2025 Howay man even Darth Vader crumbled in the end, loads of people died in the process like I suppose… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OoOGazOoO Posted August 14, 2025 Share Posted August 14, 2025 Given what Howe has said in that video a couple of pages back, it clearly is affecting staff, players, the team, the club, which it absolutely cannot do. I am only repeating what I have said previously, but he cannot come back in to the fold, he's isolated himself in a ridiculous manner, following no doubt horrific advice from his agent. He's burned too many bridges and if I was his team-mate, I probably wouldn't want him near the team again in fairness. The guy has played an absolute shocker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted August 14, 2025 Share Posted August 14, 2025 Even agreeing with Big Sam now: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack j Posted August 14, 2025 Share Posted August 14, 2025 19 minutes ago, geordiesteve710 said: There's got to be at least someone within Liverpool that's looking at his behaviour and thinking "yeah, erm, we can't be signing that like." They have been encouraging his behaviour man Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted August 14, 2025 Share Posted August 14, 2025 Finding myself agreeing with Big fucking Sam, Simon Jordan, Gabby Agbonlohor....what the fuck has Isak done? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted August 14, 2025 Share Posted August 14, 2025 Buy Wissa and Samu and let this Skinny Judas rot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted August 14, 2025 Share Posted August 14, 2025 Sacks his agent and apologises. Best scenario for the bong-eyed string of piss. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ankles Bennett Posted August 14, 2025 Share Posted August 14, 2025 22 minutes ago, toon25 said: Looking forward to the fines this cunt will be smashed with. Absolutely fucking outrageous this carry-on We can only fine him 2 weeks wages presumably for each time he fails to turn up but he probably has millions in the bank so fines won't bother him too much!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holloway Posted August 14, 2025 Share Posted August 14, 2025 laughing at the skinny cunt tag, never heard skinny before this saga but I suppose dopey cunt made an appearance on those one on one's he mangled Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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