Astroblack Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 4 hours ago, Pata said: Lineker was before my time, can't really remember peak Fowler either. Van Nistelrooy is in the top 3 of my just now made up all-time overrated/boring players list (alongside Cole). I can admit that he was extremely efficient and great finisher but that style of play has never done anything for me. If you can't go past a player or never score outside of the box and most of your goals are tap-ins from inside the six yard box, I just think you are boring to watch with good intangibles/senses. I know I'm very alone with this opinion and have got pelters for it here before. At least RvN was an elite finisher which I never saw in Man Utd Andy Cole. Even though he has tons of goals, I found Aguero's style of play quite boring. I do this day don't know what it was. He doesn't stand out like an Henry, Drogba, Suarez. I often forget he was even in the Premier League. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted September 13 Share Posted September 13 Fowler's finishing was insane. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted September 13 Share Posted September 13 RvN went past people for PSV and United mind. Not often, but that wasn’t how he was most effective. He’s about as good as I’ve seen at the one touch and then finish. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted September 13 Share Posted September 13 Lineker was a predator. great pace. just had the knack of knowing where to be. but that chance vs argentina in the quarters in 86.... had it gone in , sure we would have won the tournament. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted September 13 Share Posted September 13 19 hours ago, Pata said: Andy Cole at NUFC was right before my time but I can't accept having Man Utd Cole being part of that group. His finishing was horrible despite the raw numbers and I always laughed at him. Would be interesting to see some xG data from that period but feel like he should have scored a ton more at Man Utd. Always felt that was a harsh narrative that he had. He’s second in the all time top scorer list for non penalty PL goals. More than Kane, Rooney, Fowler, Aguero, Henry etc. Only 19 behind Shearer but people will get on the internet and say ‘his finishing was horrible.’ Remove penalties and his goals per game ratio would be close if not higher than RVN who is considered clinical. While being even more limited all-round than Cole. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted September 13 Share Posted September 13 20 hours ago, Beren said: I know you're not having a go at him, but I disagree with this massively. We've used him like he's Dirk Kuyt. Him being gassed/sloppy as a consequence of this is not on him or his consistency. Yep. We have consistently failed to use him correctly and get the best out him away from home. Especially last season and so far this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted September 13 Share Posted September 13 (edited) RVN - 77 goals from open play in the PL to my count. 0.51 strike rate. Cole - 0.47 strike rate for Man U from open play. RVN better by 0.04/5% One was a lethal finisher. The other was horrible. Edited September 13 by The College Dropout Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted September 13 Share Posted September 13 Andy Cole was unreal in 93/94 but the team was built around him scoring. Like someone mentioned earlier, having a Beardsley feeding Isak would be magical. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monters Posted September 13 Share Posted September 13 3 minutes ago, Sima said: Andy Cole was unreal in 93/94 but the team was built around him scoring. Like someone mentioned earlier, having a Beardsley feeding Isak would be magical. True! And would be the perfect way for our much discussed Sporting Director to announce himself to the world Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted September 13 Share Posted September 13 1 hour ago, The College Dropout said: Always felt that was a harsh narrative that he had. He’s second in the all time top scorer list for non penalty PL goals. More than Kane, Rooney, Fowler, Aguero, Henry etc. Only 19 behind Shearer but people will get on the internet and say ‘his finishing was horrible.’ Remove penalties and his goals per game ratio would be close if not higher than RVN who is considered clinical. While being even more limited all-round than Cole. How was RVN more limited than Cole? What was Cole better at? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted September 13 Share Posted September 13 RVN was so limited outside of goalscoring yet an unbelievable striker. I’d put him above Cole in terms of being a pure striker Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted September 13 Share Posted September 13 1 hour ago, Ronaldo said: How was RVN more limited than Cole? What was Cole better at? Ruud was the quintessential greedy striker. In an era of 2 strikers and proper number 10s he never really struck an elite partnership or combination. He just ate off the others without giving much to them apart from the assist. Andy Cole isn’t credited for his all round game either but he had 2 of the best partnerships the PL has seen. He hit double figure in assists with us iirc. Ruud initially had the whole team built around him and they won 1 league title and FA Cup. I don’t think it’s a an accident that the relatively lean years were with RVN as their main man. Directly before and after Man U were dominant. If RVN was a more selfless player he could’ve been a part of that next phase. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted September 13 Share Posted September 13 31 minutes ago, gbandit said: RVN was so limited outside of goalscoring yet an unbelievable striker. I’d put him above Cole in terms of being a pure striker I would too as a pure striker. The numbers give him the edge. But people act like he was this greyhound in the box and super duper elite finisher. While Cole needed 10 attempts to score 1 goal. When the numbers show they were close. What they did in the Prem - they were pretty equal. Same level overall. Neither touching Harold Kane. That’s another level imo. A lot of it is narrative and personality. Cole has that kind of quiet, sulky demeanour. Not taking penalties makes his numbers look worse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 17 hours ago, The College Dropout said: Ruud was the quintessential greedy striker. In an era of 2 strikers and proper number 10s he never really struck an elite partnership or combination. He just ate off the others without giving much to them apart from the assist. Andy Cole isn’t credited for his all round game either but he had 2 of the best partnerships the PL has seen. He hit double figure in assists with us iirc. Ruud initially had the whole team built around him and they won 1 league title and FA Cup. I don’t think it’s a an accident that the relatively lean years were with RVN as their main man. Directly before and after Man U were dominant. If RVN was a more selfless player he could’ve been a part of that next phase. They were up against an elite Arsenal and elite Chelsea under JM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 This lad’s scoring tomorrow Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 (edited) 1 hour ago, Ronaldo said: They were up against an elite Arsenal and elite Chelsea under JM. Finished behind Liverpool in his first season. Behind Ranieri's Chelsea. Losing to the likes of Leverkusen & Porto in the CL. Only got more than 80 points twice while he was there. The second one was while he was being phased out. Prime Cole would've been a good part of that squad. RVN could never - too selfish and not prolific enough to compensate. Neville says it himself - RVN was the most selfish striker he ever played with and he respected that but he acknowledges it may have come at a slight detriment to the team. RVN was doing all of that and still being outscored by Thierry. Edited September 14 by The College Dropout Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 In his first 2 seasons I’m sure they scored the same amount. Henry and RVN. Either way, Cole was literally not better at anything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 4 hours ago, gbandit said: This lad’s scoring tomorrow I've gone against his wishes and captained him in my fantasy team. 1 assist at best. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mahoneys Tache Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 10 hours ago, gbandit said: This lad’s scoring tomorrow Hat trick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee_Johnny Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 16 hours ago, Conjo said: I've gone against his wishes and captained him in my fantasy team. 1 assist at best. I’ve got Watkins (captain) Haaland and Isak. So expecting a hat trick of braces. Yes, please, and thank you, very much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloGeordio Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 18 minutes ago, Coffee_Johnny said: I’ve got Watkins (captain) Haaland and Isak. So expecting a hat trick of braces. Yes, please, and thank you, very much. He’ll be itching to ketchup with Haaland. Let’s hope he’s off the mark again today! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawalls Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 On 13/09/2024 at 10:27, huss9 said: Lineker was a predator. great pace. just had the knack of knowing where to be. but that chance vs argentina in the quarters in 86.... had it gone in , sure we would have won the tournament. I read Linekars biography many years back so memory hazy and this may be out of context but he stated that he spent so much time learning how to read the game so he knew how and when to be in the right place. He said to do it consistently is a skill. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 1 hour ago, Gawalls said: I read Linekars biography many years back so memory hazy and this may be out of context but he stated that he spent so much time learning how to read the game so he knew how and when to be in the right place. He said to do it consistently is a skill. Many good players aren't great simply because they're technically talented but aren't smart enough or capable of reading the game as well as they should. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 On 14/09/2024 at 11:10, Ronaldo said: In his first 2 seasons I’m sure they scored the same amount. Henry and RVN. Either way, Cole was literally not better at anything. Henry scored more non penalty goals. In the one season RVN outscored Henry 25 to 24, RVN took and scored 8 penalties compared to Henry taking and scoring 3. Henry was a better goalscorer than RVN and a much much better player. Cole’s all round game was better than RVNs. He was a better team player and forged great partnerships. RVN the most over rated player of the PL era. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 Top of the list for boring as fuck but ruthlessly efficient strikers in recent times has to be Filippo Inzaghi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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