Dr.Spaceman Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 Everton are absolutely bollocks and Brentford aren't, I'm not surprised. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 No.. DCL is bad. He gets chances and misses them. His general play isn't even impressive. Lad is not good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibierski Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 (edited) 1 hour ago, The College Dropout said: I don’t think people realise how bad DCL is. They think he’s super injury prone - he’s not. He’s just shit. 43 PL appearances since the start of last Season. 9 goals. Brentford are too smart to sign DCL. Signed Wissa, Toney and Mbeumo for a combined £20m. Wissa and Mbeumo have 7 and 8 goals this season already. We need to be more like Brentford but with a bigger budget. Brentford one of those clubs people will still think in seasons to come are flawless with their transfers, when it’s not been that in recent windows. Flekken £11m Scahde £22m Collins £23m Thiago £30m F. Carvallho £27.5m van den Berg £25m Nunes £10m All I would say haven’t moved the needle for them. How can we get bigger than that here? Edit: Looking at Brentford further. All their top buys have really been when in Championship. Who have either moved on, going to move on, or into their 30s now and been strong players for them. Still relying on those key players. And the window before those players I’ve listed, Damsgaard £16m, Kane Lewis-Pottee £16m. We have this run of buys here, club would be in meltdown. Edited November 20 by Sibierski Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BonesJones Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 Fuck selling that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 9 hours ago, Sibierski said: Brentford one of those clubs people will still think in seasons to come are flawless with their transfers, when it’s not been that in recent windows. Flekken £11m Scahde £22m Collins £23m Thiago £30m F. Carvallho £27.5m van den Berg £25m Nunes £10m All I would say haven’t moved the needle for them. How can we get bigger than that here? Edit: Looking at Brentford further. All their top buys have really been when in Championship. Who have either moved on, going to move on, or into their 30s now and been strong players for them. Still relying on those key players. And the window before those players I’ve listed, Damsgaard £16m, Kane Lewis-Pottee £16m. We have this run of buys here, club would be in meltdown. Brentford have the third lowest wage bill in the division. Lower than Leicester and only above the other 2 promoted teams. Their squad cost in fees is 15th. They should be fighting relegation every season. But through transfers and great management they don’t. A lot of those are good players imo. The terrible GK aside most of them are 24 or under with room to improve. But look at the macro cost of the squad in fees and wages it’s unarguable that Brentford spend their money wisely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibierski Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 33 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: Brentford have the third lowest wage bill in the division. Lower than Leicester and only above the other 2 promoted teams. Their squad cost in fees is 15th. They should be fighting relegation every season. But through transfers and great management they don’t. A lot of those are good players imo. The terrible GK aside most of them are 24 or under with room to improve. But look at the macro cost of the squad in fees and wages it’s unarguable that Brentford spend their money wisely. Spend money wisely on wages, and in their early years good spending on players, but I’d say wages aside, their spending hasn’t been good. Those players may have room to grow because of age, but by large they’re not offering much to them and it’s the players from when in championship still key to them (Pinnock / Henry / Norgaard / Janelt / Mbeumo). They also got rid of their academy for 7 seasons, which will mean playing catch up in future seasons and need to keep spending on squad filler as they lose players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 15 hours ago, The College Dropout said: I don’t think people realise how bad DCL is. They think he’s super injury prone - he’s not. He’s just shit. 43 PL appearances since the start of last Season. 9 goals. Brentford are too smart to sign DCL. Signed Wissa, Toney and Mbeumo for a combined £20m. Wissa and Mbeumo have 7 and 8 goals this season already. We need to be more like Brentford but with a bigger budget. The rumour was that Howe really rated him, and that was back when he was being quoted at £40m plus. It's not out of the question that at a lower price Howe might think he could do a Chris Wood type job as a target man alternative to Wilson for a relatively low fee. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 (edited) I’d much rather play Osula than go anywhere near DCL. Also we shouldn’t discuss him every couple of weeks, it’s dire. My fault as well obvs. Edited November 21 by AyeDubbleYoo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 I don't know how many of you have friends that are Arsenal fans, but my God they are absolutely gagging for this fella I have been having the time of my life winding them up about it, especially after he scored against them. They had started convincing themselves he and Newcastle were going to have a bad season and so they'd get him for cheaper. Been an absolute thrill having him come back into form along with us looking so much better of late, while Arsenal have been struggling. They are all legit depressed now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 Just now, KaKa said: I don't know how many of you have friends that are Arsenal fans, but my God they are absolutely gagging for this fella I have been having the time of my life winding them up about it, especially after he scored against them. They had started convincing themselves he and Newcastle were going to have a bad season and so they'd get him for cheaper. Been an absolute thrill having him come back into form along with us looking so much better of late, while Arsenal have been struggling. They are all legit depressed now My boss is and we were out on the beers yesterday. Not sure he appreciated the Mikel Pulis/Artetadyce comments all day Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mosstef Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 6 minutes ago, KaKa said: I don't know how many of you have friends that are Arsenal fans, but my God they are absolutely gagging for this fella I have been having the time of my life winding them up about it, especially after he scored against them. They had started convincing themselves he and Newcastle were going to have a bad season and so they'd get him for cheaper. Been an absolute thrill having him come back into form along with us looking so much better of late, while Arsenal have been struggling. They are all legit depressed now Always brings a smile to my face when I hear about depressed Arsenal supporters Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 2 minutes ago, Lush Vlad said: My boss is and we were out on the beers yesterday. Not sure he appreciated the Mikel Pulis/Artetadyce comments all day Fun times man. They were linked with Isak so much prior to us signing him and absolutely bottled it. A lot of them claimed at the time he wasn't good enough, couldn't score in Spain etc. It's so incredibly funny seeing their desperation now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEToon Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 I don’t think Calvert Lewin would be “cheap” I would expect if he is moving under freedom of contract he would want a very hefty wage and signing on bonus. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingxlnc Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 They were linked so much with Bruno too. Haha. It's good to see they got Gabriel Jesus and Fabio Viera instead Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 7 hours ago, Sibierski said: Spend money wisely on wages, and in their early years good spending on players, but I’d say wages aside, their spending hasn’t been good. Those players may have room to grow because of age, but by large they’re not offering much to them and it’s the players from when in championship still key to them (Pinnock / Henry / Norgaard / Janelt / Mbeumo). They also got rid of their academy for 7 seasons, which will mean playing catch up in future seasons and need to keep spending on squad filler as they lose players. You can’t say ‘wages aside’. Wages are more important to success than transfer fees. Wages is what attracts players with proven track records of performing at the highest level. Real Madrid’s spend on transfers is not astronomical and behind a number of teams in Europe. But they are #1 in wages. Brentford are spending by PL standards, lowly sums and can only offer bottom level PL wages so the players they sign cannot be of massive repute or have proven track records. That should make them relegation candidates year in, year out. As are the other teams paying such low wages. I use this same metric to judge us. Our squad cost and wages has us 7th/8th. Anything more is an overachievement. Anything less is an underachievement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibierski Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 6 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: You can’t say ‘wages aside’. Wages are more important to success than transfer fees. Wages is what attracts players with proven track records of performing at the highest level. Real Madrid’s spend on transfers is not astronomical and behind a number of teams in Europe. But they are #1 in wages. Brentford are spending by PL standards, lowly sums and can only offer bottom level PL wages so the players they sign cannot be of massive repute or have proven track records. That should make them relegation candidates year in, year out. As are the other teams paying such low wages. I use this same metric to judge us. Our squad cost and wages has us 7th/8th. Anything more is an overachievement. Anything less is an underachievement. Then how can we be more like Brentford but with a bigger budget? Brentford have dropped a load of money on players that haven't really improved them. Wages are low, but money is still spent. What's that for us to aspire too? Hall/Tino are ones of Brentford style in recent years but better and bigger. If it's that, then sure. If not, then I'm confused to what we want to copy from Brentford when their current success is still about maximising the squad from 2018/19. Mbeumo is probably their last decent sellable asset too, after that, it's all their recent buys where they need them to step up to make money since they have no-one youth wise to integrate and sell, and likely a contributor to the lowly wages as more is needed to be spent on signing players for continuous depth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 3 hours ago, Sibierski said: Then how can we be more like Brentford but with a bigger budget? Brentford have dropped a load of money on players that haven't really improved them. Wages are low, but money is still spent. What's that for us to aspire too? Hall/Tino are ones of Brentford style in recent years but better and bigger. If it's that, then sure. If not, then I'm confused to what we want to copy from Brentford when their current success is still about maximising the squad from 2018/19. Mbeumo is probably their last decent sellable asset too, after that, it's all their recent buys where they need them to step up to make money since they have no-one youth wise to integrate and sell, and likely a contributor to the lowly wages as more is needed to be spent on signing players for continuous depth. By having a squad that consistently finishes multiple places above its wage grade (and its squad cost). Buying players that can improve over time and be worth more than we paid in fee and paying in salary. Being able to sell prized assets and not miss a beat. If we can finish 2-4 places above our wage bill 4 out of the next 5 years we’ll have done brilliantly. I can’t emphasise enough how closely the league table mirrors the wage bill table. Most clubs are +- 2-3 spots year on year. Brentford have the 15th biggest squad spend. Overall they have not spent loads of money relative to the league. That angle is statistically false. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 1 hour ago, The College Dropout said: By having a squad that consistently finishes multiple places above its wage grade (and its squad cost). Buying players that can improve over time and be worth more than we paid in fee and paying in salary. Being able to sell prized assets and not miss a beat. If we can finish 2-4 places above our wage bill 4 out of the next 5 years we’ll have done brilliantly. I can’t emphasise enough how closely the league table mirrors the wage bill table. Most clubs are +- 2-3 spots year on year. Brentford have the 15th biggest squad spend. Overall they have not spent loads of money relative to the league. That angle is statistically false. They did finish 16th last season. They are scoring a lot currently, but only 1 team has conceded more. They may very well end up at around 15th again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted November 21 Share Posted November 21 10 hours ago, KaKa said: I don't know how many of you have friends that are Arsenal fans, but my God they are absolutely gagging for this fella I have been having the time of my life winding them up about it, especially after he scored against them. They had started convincing themselves he and Newcastle were going to have a bad season and so they'd get him for cheaper. Been an absolute thrill having him come back into form along with us looking so much better of late, while Arsenal have been struggling. They are all legit depressed now I honestly think we will be above Arsenal come the end of the season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 44 minutes ago, Rod said: I honestly think we will be above Arsenal come the end of the season. With some luck with injuries it's definitely possible. Love how we've looked since the tweaks tactically. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 10 hours ago, KaKa said: With some luck with injuries it's definitely possible. Love how we've looked since the tweaks tactically. Agree. Not sure we'll finish above Arsenal, but since the cup win against Chelsea it looks like we've got players in the right positions for how we want to play. For the first time all season I think CL qualification is a possibility. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted November 25 Share Posted November 25 Scores that chance in the first half last season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted November 25 Share Posted November 25 unless PIF pull their fingers out and start to play dirty, we maybe have to sacrifice him for the development of the squad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 How many goals has he scored, ruled offside because of that shoulder of his? (I know he was legit off today) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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