Gottlob Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Also the penalty should be one action rather than one touch, like in tennis where you're only penalised for hitting the ball twice if you take two swings at it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Feel like they need to have some sensors on the ball like in the last WC to definitely tell, replays are not showing a definite double touch. One of the best penalty shootouts for drama but feels like a bullshit conclusion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 I keep thinking I've seen it all with VAR. What a crock of shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 1 minute ago, Gottlob said: Feels like football is at a low ebb at the moment, which has been especially true in Spain with Barcelona in a period of transition while mired in financial crisis. It's a shame that it has allowed Ancelotti, who previously had a dire record domestically, and the likes of Vinicius and Mbappe to fill their oversized boots. VAR, and PSR all doing their work to keep the status quo, and making the end product shitter. It’s a shame, because if both of those were implemented in the same way, it would make things much more competitive and better quality. VAR has done fuck but show the incompetence and corruption of the officials in my opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 7 minutes ago, Lush Vlad said: Hmmmmmm. Has to be ‘clear and obvious’ no? Or do they genuinely know that it’s been struck by his standing foot? Would be almost simultaneously if so, so basically impossible to tell? Surely the ball wouldn’t go that straight and true if a double hit?! I think if it has happened it’s after he’s kicked it rather than before. Grazed the top of his slipping foot rather it moving the ball before it’s struck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 3 minutes ago, Gottlob said: Feels like football is at a low ebb at the moment, which has been especially true in Spain with Barcelona in a period of transition while mired in financial crisis. It's a shame that it has allowed Ancelotti, who previously had a dire record domestically, and the likes of Vinicius and Mbappe to fill their oversized boots. The problem is, with the likes of VAR, PSR and the absolute disdain for match going fans, there's probably no going back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Rules are rules. Unlucky. nobody was upset when Mitro double kicked his pen against us. I don’t see the double touch mind. Maybe the ball moves a bit before it’s hit? The ball does move in the air in an unnatural way. But I don’t see the contact clearly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 15 minutes ago, Stifler said: It’s not impossible to tell. From both those angles, he hasn’t double touched it. In the second angle it shows he may have hit the ball on his standing foot as it's in front of the ball but you can't tell for sure Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 1 minute ago, The College Dropout said: Rules are rules. Unlucky. nobody was upset when Mitro double kicked his pen against us. I don’t see the double touch mind. Maybe the ball moves a bit before it’s hit? The ball does move in the air in an unnatural way. But I don’t see the contact clearly. It’s the fact that there is no evidence that he’s double hit it. With Mitro it was clear on the replay that he had, although I do agree that a retake should be used in the case of unintended second touches. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 The ball moves ever so slightly before it’s struck Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 (edited) 7 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: Rules are rules. Unlucky. nobody was upset when Mitro double kicked his pen against us. I don’t see the double touch mind. Maybe the ball moves a bit before it’s hit? The ball does move in the air in an unnatural way. But I don’t see the contact clearly. Surely you can see the difference with a live game though? The rule is there to stop players passing to themselves. Punishing the double slip accidents are a necessary evil of enforcing this law I personally don't really see why this rule exists in a shootout when the ball is dead once taken regardless of outcome. Edited March 12 by ponsaelius Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 TCD simping hard for Real here They've not yet shown any conclusive evidence to prove he's hit it twice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Prontonise Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Honestly if that happens on Sunday, the whole Newcastle end should be on the pitch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Fak Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 9 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: The ball moves ever so slightly before it’s struck It doesn’t ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 They need to appeal that as really all they need to do is restart from penalties if that footage is correct. Only thing I can think of is there is another angle him kicking it off his standing foot. Alvarez did look a little sheepish. Would break my heart losing like that in such a big game against your rivals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 The party line seems to be that there's a sensor in the ball and it was immediately detected it'd been hit twice, which is why it was so quick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Just now, The Prophet said: The party line seems to be that there's a sensor in the ball and it was immediately detected it'd been hit twice, which is why it was so quick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Just now, LFEE said: Still wouldn't say that's conclusive, unless there's other evidence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Yorkie Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 19 minutes ago, ponsaelius said: Surely you can see the difference with a live game though? The rule is there to stop players passing to themselves. Punishing the double slip accidents are a necessary evil of enforcing this law I personally don't really see why this rule exists in a shootout when the ball is dead once taken regardless of outcome. This is exactly it. Even if there is a minuscule additional touch, what exactly is VAR saving us from here? It's the same as these micro-offsides we see every week. There's no actual infringement or unfairness, it's just a stupidly pedantic enforcement of a rule that has changed in nature thanks to VAR. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 (edited) 27 minutes ago, ponsaelius said: Surely you can see the difference with a live game though? The rule is there to stop players passing to themselves. Punishing the double slip accidents are a necessary evil of enforcing this law I personally don't really see why this rule exists in a shootout when the ball is dead once taken regardless of outcome. 27 minutes ago, ponsaelius said: Surely you can see the difference with a live game though? The rule is there to stop players passing to themselves. Punishing the double slip accidents are a necessary evil of enforcing this law I personally don't really see why this rule exists in a shootout when the ball is dead once taken regardless of outcome. I mean the rules are the rules. Edited March 12 by The College Dropout Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 13 minutes ago, Yorkie said: This is exactly it. Even if there is a minuscule additional touch, what exactly is VAR saving us from here? It's the same as these micro-offsides we see every week. There's no actual infringement or unfairness, it's just a stupidly pedantic enforcement of a rule that has changed in nature thanks to VAR. Then the rules need to be changed. Double touches allowed if they are accidental. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Hala Madrid Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 17 minutes ago, Yorkie said: This is exactly it. Even if there is a minuscule additional touch, what exactly is VAR saving us from here? It's the same as these micro-offsides we see every week. There's no actual infringement or unfairness, it's just a stupidly pedantic enforcement of a rule that has changed in nature thanks to VAR. this 1000 times. It's just completely arbitrary. Not even sure any of us would've known Alvarez (might have) touched the ball twice without VAR. It's just nonsense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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