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[TheBrownBottle]

9 hours ago, Astroblack said:

What about Spain’s period of dominance from 2008-2012 where they were made up of half of the Barcelona squad that had won two Champions Leagues and two semi finals?
 

2013 - Bayern vs Dortmund, 2014, Germany win the World Cup

 

2003 all Italian final, 2005 Milan in final, 2007, Milan in final - 2006 Italy win the World Cup. Gattuso, Pirlo, Cannavaro, Buffon all key contributors. 
 

2018 - we get to the semis and in 2019, we get an all England final where Harry Kane, Kieran Trippier, Jordan Henderson, Dele Alli, Danny Rose play in both campaigns. We’re also getting closer with this group of players.

 

England are notorious bottle jobs, right? If our players play in the big European fixtures, hopefully they’ll be able to overcome this mental hurdle. Rice for example has captained West Ham to a European trophy. He’s also now played in two European finals. England are getting closer and I think our players would benefit from Champions League nights. 
 

Either way, wouldn’t it be better wanting the English teams to do well as it opens up more spots for European contention? We missed out on Europe because the English teams performed poorly. Italy got nine European places while England got six! We should be in Europe this season! 

 

 

 

Real Madrid won three European Cups from 1998-2002, but Spain did nothing in international tournaments.  In reality, Spain has produced one truly great team international-wise during their history; otherwise, they’ve tended to be well short. 

 

Germany won the WC in 1990 and Euros in 1996, losing the Euros final in 1992.   During that period German sides won only one Cup Winners’ Cup and one UEFA Cup.  During that same period, Italian teams won three European Cups two Cup Winners’ Cups, five UEFA Cups and the national team won sweet FA.

 

France’s only European Cup win (1993) came between two WCs (1990 and 1994) for which they failed to qualify.

 

England is Europe’s second most successful country in terms of club football in Europe, yet hasn’t won a trophy in nearly sixty years internationally.  That’s because it has nothing to do whatsoever with ‘bottle’ and everything to do with talent.  England has not produced talent consistently until very, very recently.

 

There is often no correlation between performances by club sides and international football.  When it does happen, it is often when a big team also has a lot of the players - so Bayern’s side which won three successive European Cups from 74-76 (sprinkled with talent from Moechengladbach’s great ‘70s side which won the UEFA Cup in ‘75) won the WC in ‘74 and lost the Euro final in ‘76.  The great Barca team of the late ‘00s-early’10s was the basis of Spain’s dominance.  Otherwise - pretty much zip.  England has more European Cup / CL winning players than Germany - that hasn’t translated to international trophies.  Scotland (with 35) has almost as many winning players of the CL / European Cup as France (with 37).  Which we can see correlate with France and Scotland having such similar success at international level  

 

 

Edited Monday at 21:28 by TheBrownBottle

[TK-421]

Not sure if this has been mentioned, but just saw this Tweet from Gavin Peacock about an NUFC fan who has passed away...
 

Didn't know the guy, but do remember seeing him around the ground or the training ground in the 80's and 90's when I went to matches regularly.

We used to nickname him 'Newcastle John' as he was always wearing something club related.

RIP.

[The Butcher]

 

[Astroblack]

1 hour ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Real Madrid won three European Cups from 1998-2002, but Spain did nothing in international tournaments.  In reality, Spain has produced one truly great team international-wise during their history; otherwise, they’ve tended to be well short. 

 

Germany won the WC in 1990 and Euros in 1996, losing the Euros final in 1992.   During that period German sides won only one Cup Winners’ Cup and one UEFA Cup.  During that same period, Italian teams won three European Cups two Cup Winners’ Cups, five UEFA Cups and the national team won sweet FA.

 

France’s only European Cup win (1993) came between two WCs (1990 and 1994) for which they failed to qualify.

 

England is Europe’s second most successful country in terms of club football in Europe, yet hasn’t won a trophy in nearly sixty years internationally.  That’s because it has nothing to do whatsoever with ‘bottle’ and everything to do with talent.  England has not produced talent consistently until very, very recently.

 

There is often no correlation between performances by club sides and international football.  When it does happen, it is often when a big team also has a lot of the players - so Bayern’s side which won three successive European Cups from 74-76 (sprinkled with talent from Moechengladbach’s great ‘70s side which won the UEFA Cup in ‘75) won the WC in ‘74 and lost the Euro final in ‘76.  The great Barca team of the late ‘00s-early’10s was the basis of Spain’s dominance.  Otherwise - pretty much zip.  England has more European Cup / CL winning players than Germany - that hasn’t translated to international trophies.  Scotland (with 35) has almost as many winning players of the CL / European Cup as France (with 37).  Which we can see correlate with France and Scotland having such similar success at international level  

 

 

 

Klinsman, Scholl, Sammer, Babbel and Matteaus either won a CL or Uefa Cup during their career. 
 

The French team were all playing for Champions League teams abroad- Giroud, Kante, Varane, their DM who played left wing in the final CL finalist with Juve. Already explained the 98 team with Thuram playing the Uefa Cup final opposite Robert Pires who was with Marseille at the time. Zidane and Deschamps CL finalist in 97 and 98 along with Del Piero and Inzaghi who would go on to win the WC in 06. 

I wouldn’t say getting to a World Cup final and losing on penalties was a “fuck all” in Italy’s regard. 

 

Real team were laying the foundations and had a host of quality foreign players in their squad like Seedorf, Makalele(WC finalist 06). Also Del Bosque was manager and he’d be the one to lead Spain to a WC and Euros. They underachieved but the French and Brazil teams were better at the time. France blew Spain out of the water in the World Cup 2006.  
 

My point is steel sharpens steel. Anyway, football landscaped changed and with English players leaving to go abroad, my opinion has changed a little. For instance, I wanted Real to beat City in the CL last season just because of Bellingham. Knowing that winning that trophy would give him a winning mentality going into the Euros which it did(two winners and an assist in the final). We may not have won that final but I’m proud of England getting there. We used to be serial Quarter finalists, that’s beginning to change. 
 

And I do believe in bottle mentality, just look at Spurs and for a greater example watch the England vs Portugal penalty shootout in 2006. You’ve never seen those looks on Gerrard and Lampard’s faces before when they were ruthlessly dispatching penalties away for their club teams. For England, they were terrified and they both missed. 

[Ronson333]

Baroness Karren Brady (West Ham Unitedvice-chairwoman): Clubs are not against the principle of a regulator — we like more fan engagement, protecting clubs’ heritage, preventing breakaway leagues, dealing with bad ownership. Uefa has raised concerns that the regulator’s power could undermine the autonomy of sport. The government has refused to publish the letter from Uefa, saying they didn’t want to alarm fans, and that’s really concerning.
 

Another thing is a subjective ownership test which could really deter responsible investment and could create litigation. It seemed incredibly strange that the [sport] minister [Baroness Twycross] couldn’t tell us whether their intention is for senior members of foreign governments to go through the ownership test or not. They said yes and then they backtracked and I don’t think they actually know.

 

There are also challenges around the backstop. The bill looks legally vulnerable and open to challenge from parties. It risks undermining our existing deal and undermining parachute payments.

[nemtizz]

2 hours ago, The Butcher said:

 

Count yourself lucky you didn’t see the Chalobah meat watch recently. 

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[Stifler]

2 minutes ago, triggs said:

Individuals

The main brother of them posts almost exclusively about his dealings with the Saudi government on his LinkdIn account.