Wullie Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 13 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: Not arsed about winning it, would like to see some good football This is a really weird attitude to international tournaments that you can't expect other people to share. It's the ultimate prize in football, once every four years. Teams ain't going to toss off a chance of winning it in favour of being mighty entertaining and burning out in the groups. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 4 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: I just find this popular opinion absolutely baffling I agree that Cole (and Beckham to an extent) were the only players who consistently performed for England, but Rooney, Gerrard, Lampard, Scholes, Terry, Ferdinand, Cole, Beckham were all undoubtedly world class footballers who consistently proved it at club level. The fact they massively underperformed for England, that several managers couldn't get a tune out of them, and this England team of less talented players have performed very well should be a feather in Southgate's cap, but it's not. People somehow immediately jump to the opinion you have and I'm supposed to agree that - all else being equal - I'd rather pick a defence and midfield of Stones, Maguire, Rice, Bellingham and Phillips over Terry, Ferdinand, Gerrard, Lampard and Scholes. Fair enough - we’ll have to agree to disagree on that one - I think the 00s you listed were good but not great players Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEEJ Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 The difference between watching us and England has never been so obvious. Never thought I'd say this in my lifetime but it's chalk and cheese. I'm sick of Mason Mount, sick of Kane dropping deep, and sick of Southgate's football (I can be both appreciative and critical of his time in charge). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 Just now, Wullie said: This is a really weird attitude to international tournaments that you can't expect other people to share. It's the ultimate prize in football, once every four years. Teams ain't going to toss off a chance of winning it in favour of being mighty entertaining and burning out in the groups. Fair enough, and it’s likely why I can’t engage too well with it. I don’t care enough about who wins it to be happy watching a grind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 honestly why bring Hendo on? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEEJ Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 1 minute ago, huss9 said: honestly why bring Hendo on? 5 subs to make and you've got Foden sat on the bench all game; it's negative as fuck and no one can dress it up any other way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 Can only play the team in front of you…England came out like they were content with a draw. They were ultimately vindicated, but I don’t think it’s outlandish to suggest that they got lucky with that result, either. Iran game has shades of the 2010 Algeria match for us. Iran will be happy with a draw and will likely park the bus for 90 minutes. I’m afraid we won’t be able to break them down…We don’t have a Donovan or Dempsey to call upon this time around. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 Terry and Ferdinand were absolutely brilliant in WC 06 and Stones and Maguire don’t deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence. We just had nobody to score goals when it mattered back then. When people talk about our ‘golden generation’ it’s much easier to criticise the collective than identify the isolated issue - our ‘goalscorers’, namely Owen, were utter nonentities in the tournaments. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McDog Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 Just now, Tomato Deuce said: Can only play the team in front of you…England came out like they were content with a draw. They were ultimately vindicated, but I don’t think it’s outlandish to suggest that they got lucky with that result, either. Iran game has shades of the 2010 Algeria match for us. Iran will be happy with a draw and will likely park the bus for 90 minutes. I’m afraid we won’t be able to break them down…We don’t have a Donovan or Dempsey to call upon this time around. Whilst that's a dire view I can't say it's not possible. Start Reyna and play on the front foot I guess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 4 minutes ago, Tomato Deuce said: Can only play the team in front of you…England came out like they were content with a draw. They were ultimately vindicated, but I don’t think it’s outlandish to suggest that they got lucky with that result, either. Iran game has shades of the 2010 Algeria match for us. Iran will be happy with a draw and will likely park the bus for 90 minutes. I’m afraid we won’t be able to break them down…We don’t have a Donovan or Dempsey to call upon this time around. Yeah, I think it’ll be a canny game to watch - two evenly matched sides with everything to play for, who know they likely need to win. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 Perfect game for those who buy into the media narrative of England’s midfielders being worth £100-150 ? Scout and scout further. Bruno ain’t no world beater but at £32m you see the value surely? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Maximin Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 (edited) In hindsight, I’m not so annoyed about the defensive approach as I am the fact we were absolute turd. I know it’s been mentioned before that winners of international tournaments can often be dull to watch, but that wasn’t a solid performance in spite of that. It was a complete shambles. We should be thankful Maguire played well, but also that USA don’t have a good striker. They outplayed us otherwise and had the better chances. I feel there’s no defence for that, even if they have decent players there, as we should at least be controlling these games. Edited November 25, 2022 by St. Maximin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Tomato Deuce said: Drop him in NUFC’s midfield to free up Bruno and we’re laughing our way into the top 4 He’s far better than I rated him prior to this cup; Mckennie has some Big Jow vibes in terms of strength and pace…but Musah is the one I’m most excited about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 In 1990, England were very lucky against both Cameroon and Belgium. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 its not that we were shit today thats annoying. we've been shit and lucky in the past. the annoying thing is the lack of tactical nous or desire/knowledge to identify things arent working or players arent at it and then make changes accodringly and in plenty of time. just same old, same old. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 5 minutes ago, Vinny Green Balls said: In 1990, England were very lucky against both Cameroon and Belgium. but in the semi's we didnt tried to hold on and play for the draw. we went for them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 (edited) You also went behind early in the second half and had little choice. But yeah, Robson was a legend, a brilliant manager with a huge amount of success at club level. Obviously Southgate is not at the same level. Edited November 26, 2022 by Vinny Green Balls Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 (edited) we're effectively through to the next round so i hope he tinkers with team and tactics and lets the team express themselves a little more. we'd have to get absolutely battered off wales and even then it would need iran and usa to draw to get knocked out. Edited November 26, 2022 by huss9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 3 hours ago, 54 said: Ironically Maguire was our best player today. We also looked slightly less shite when Henderson came on, but to be fair he couldn't be worse then Bellingham. Ironically? He's probably been your best player over the last 4 years Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalove Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 10 minutes ago, Tomato Deuce said: Probably the best outcome then tbh. Canada have a smaller population so less people will suffer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 25 minutes ago, Tomato Deuce said: ‘Britain’s loss … is America’s loss too’ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 2 hours ago, joeyt said: Is this a serious opinion As a striker, yes. Wouldn’t want Kane at Newcastle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizza Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 Throw the cunts out! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 39 minutes ago, Rafalove said: Probably the best outcome then tbh. Canada have a smaller population so less people will suffer. Canada gave the world John Candy, Rick Moranis, SCTV and Norm Macdonald. We don’t deserve Corden. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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