timeEd32 Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 At least one team was eliminated today and it’s a very helpful one as Villa could really help us the rest of the way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 I get Liverpool's run-in is nice but the idea of this Liverpool team winning 9 on the spin id a bit far-fetched tbh. Arsenal have won 7 in a row this season. City have won the last 6 but the probability of winning 9 off the spin must be tiny, even smaller still when you consider how flaky and inconsistent Liverpool have been this season. Sure, they could win them all but they will drop points in the next 8 fixtures. If they do win 9 or 10 off the spin to get 4th then you could argue they absolutely deserve it. 4 wins and a draw seals 4th for us imo and we're more than capable of that. They'll gain on us but we'll do it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 2 hours ago, The Prophet said: Fair play to Liverpool if they win nine on the bounce. Why do they need to do that to finish Top 4? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 3 minutes ago, LFEE said: Why do they need to do that to finish Top 4? Some are saying we need 72 points to finish above Liverpool, which implies they will win all of their remaining games. Much like a couple of years back, they need a very good run coupled with a collapse from the sides above them. It's possible but not probable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 5 hours ago, timeEd32 said: At least one team was eliminated today and it’s a very helpful one as Villa could really help us the rest of the way. They aren’t eliminated. They dropped points and are 5 behind us. They need to pretty much perfect but from years of following the toon nothing is sure until it’s mathematically so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mahoneys Tache Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 4 minutes ago, Ace said: They aren’t eliminated. They dropped points and are 5 behind us. They need to pretty much perfect but from years of following the toon nothing is sure until it’s mathematically so. 50 years man and boy. Don’t fucking blink. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 17 minutes ago, Ace said: They aren’t eliminated. They dropped points and are 5 behind us. They need to pretty much perfect but from years of following the toon nothing is sure until it’s mathematically so. Realistically they were never in it except for the most pessimistic. But today made it nearly impossible for them to catch us barring a massive collapse. 4 wins and a draw and they mathematically can’t, so unless you think we’re going to finish the season on our worst run of form in over a year then they will not be in the CL at our expense. Not to mention they play Man United, Spurs, Liverpool, and Brighton in their remaining six games. If they go unbeaten it will help us tremendously. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 1 hour ago, timeEd32 said: Realistically they were never in it except for the most pessimistic. But today made it nearly impossible for them to catch us barring a massive collapse. 4 wins and a draw and they mathematically can’t, so unless you think we’re going to finish the season on our worst run of form in over a year then they will not be in the CL at our expense. Not to mention they play Man United, Spurs, Liverpool, and Brighton in their remaining six games. If they go unbeaten it will help us tremendously. you obviously haven’t seen this movie before Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 I don’t think the failures of the past will derail this team, no. If we falter it will be because of lack of depth (either a key injury or two or tired legs into the finish). I just don’t see the point in worrying about Villa as the odds of them being the team that finish 4th to our 5th are minuscule. If we collapse and finish on 68 points or less then we’re probably going to finish 6th or even 7th. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infatuation Junkie Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 We all know we don’t do things easily. There will be an eastendersesq build up to the end of the season. Can you honestly say that we will stroll the top 4. Because we simply never ever get that lucky. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 The old us didn’t do things easily. This is a completely new era. We need to change our mindset on this or we’ll just get stuck in the same old patterns. We’ve gone from relegation fodder to a cup final and challenging for a Champion’s League spot in about a year. That doesn’t smack of not doing things easily. We’re winners now, not losers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 The usual picture at this pressure point of the season is for the teams that have over-achieved to crumble, and for the clubs with the better squads to restore normal service. I think we're seeing this with Arsenal and Man City unfortunately. But I'm backing Eddie to defy convention and close it out. He has that combination of steel and calmness, but he will need the help of our home crowd. We'll have some sticky moments, and they'll need to be patient. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee_Johnny Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, Cronky said: The usual picture at this pressure point of the season is for the teams that have over-achieved to crumble, and for the clubs with the better squads to restore normal service. I think we're seeing this with Arsenal and Man City unfortunately. But I'm backing Eddie to defy convention and close it out. He has that combination of steel and calmness, but he will need the help of our home crowd. We'll have some sticky moments, and they'll need to be patient. This kind of ‘regression to the mean’, or return to average performance of the team often seems the way. That said, we were as good, maybe slightly better, results wise, in the last half of last season. So not sure we’re in the over achiever category. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloGeordio Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Coffee_Johnny said: This kind of ‘regression to the mean’, or return to average performance of the team often seems the way. That said, we were as good, maybe slightly better, results wise, in the last half of last season. So not sure we’re in the over achiever category. We aren’t!! we are here by right. We are a bloody good side with a mean defence and high pressing attack. This is no accident. We are very good. Onwards and upwards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 14 hours ago, LFEE said: Why do they need to do that to finish Top 4? They don't. They just need to win more a couple more games than us, Spurs, Brighton or whoever. It's not that difficult to imagine given their squad is still light years ahead of ours. The only way to close this out is win our games, which we have been bar last week's abomination. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawalls Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 2 hours ago, LV said: The old us didn’t do things easily. This is a completely new era. We need to change our mindset on this or we’ll just get stuck in the same old patterns. We’ve gone from relegation fodder to a cup final and challenging for a Champion’s League spot in about a year. That doesn’t smack of not doing things easily. We’re winners now, not losers. We will change our mindset eventually but regardless of how good we’ve been - it’s still our first full season under Howe and new ownership so how we see the season out when there’s something to go for and the pressure’s on is still unknown. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 I’ve seen some people say/hint that if we win this one then CL is ours. I don’t agree. It would be looking very very good but no matter if we win lose or draw there’s still quite a few games to go and the possibility of one or two more twists before the season ends. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Billy Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 Howay the lads today like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 26 minutes ago, Ikon said: I’ve seen some people say/hint that if we win this one then CL is ours. I don’t agree. It would be looking very very good but no matter if we win lose or draw there’s still quite a few games to go and the possibility of one or two more twists before the season ends. There's basically Spurs and Liverpool between us and CL for me. We can KO Spurs today, or at least not allow them into the to race. LiVARpool are still a threat with that squad, despite them needing to make up points. It's happened before so we do have to win our games to discount them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 Villa are now 50/1 to finish 4th, I assume a few will be piling on going by this thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 Look, it’s completely within our hands to make champions league. And the only thing we need to focus on is ourselves today. Today is not the end all be all, but as long we keep picking up more points than our rivals then whatever the fk they do is irrelevant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Billy Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 You've ruined Spurs goal difference here as well. Basically made it a 7 point between us and them and we've two games in hand. Liverpool are the only remaining threat to your good selves and to us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stottie Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 I've just voted 10. Can't see how it doesn't happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 Ideal scenario is Spurs play for some self respect the rest of this week and at least get a couple draws. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 37 minutes ago, Froggy said: You've ruined Spurs goal difference here as well. Basically made it a 7 point between us and them and we've two games in hand. Liverpool are the only remaining threat to your good selves and to us. Brighton! Slim chance but they are the ones. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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