aussiemag Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 I think it down to us, Villa and Spurs for 4th and 5th place. If we can get the likes of Botman, Willock, Longstaff, Wilson, Barnes and Anderson back within a couple of weeks, we look good. Spurs will struggle to pick up points without Maddinson and Villa will hit a sticky spot at some point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stottie Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 Opta's supercomputer has started to see daylight between our chances and Tottenham's. It still puts us behind Villa, presumably on calendar year 2023 form. https://theanalyst.com/eu/2023/08/opta-football-predictions/ Villa have City and Arsenal at home before we play Spurs next Sunday, so a big week ahead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoot Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 On 01/12/2023 at 06:21, Optimistic Nut said: Updated this morning, up to 3rd after this round of games so looking good for 5th place becoming a CL spot. So where have "England" got to finish in that league table for 5th place to become a champions league spot?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solitude20 Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 Just a refresher on how it is possible for 7 EPL teams to qualify for the new UCL format (very unlikely though). https://www.skysports.com/amp/football/news/21564/12940385/explained-how-more-than-four-premier-league-teams-can-qualify-for-next-seasons-champions-league Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegans Export Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 (edited) I've been a bit downbeat on our top 4/5 chances this season but if Man City win this afternoon we'll finish the weekend ahead of Spurs who were supposedly title contenders a few weeks ago... If we can stay in touching distance through this injury crisis we've got a chance. Edit - a chance of top 4/5 that is, not a title challenge Edited December 3, 2023 by Keegans Export Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 2 hours ago, Scoot said: So where have "England" got to finish in that league table for 5th place to become a champions league spot?? Top 2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 29 minutes ago, Keegans Export said: I've been a bit downbeat on our top 4/5 chances this season but if Man City win this afternoon we'll finish the weekend ahead of Spurs who were supposedly title contenders a few weeks ago... If we can stay in touching distance through this injury crisis we've got a chance. Edit - a chance of top 4/5 that is, not a title challenge And why the hell not, eh?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 55 minutes ago, wormy said: And why the hell not, eh?? We will almost certainly have the 5th spot for the premier league. Liverpool, city and Villa should all go deep in to the later stages. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazzaschicken Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 I think we are definitely in with a shout. Hardest thing about the league is consistency and we have become a pretty consistent team. Albeit a poor performance against Brighton and Bournemouth away but beating arsenal, Chelsea and manure with a decimated squad I think over a 38 game season we are a top 4 team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 (edited) Is it worth changing this to "Champions League-o-meter" since 4th mightn't be necessary, then we can also throw into the convo English team's Euro performances and the co-efficient? Unless the Belgian clubs produce a miracle then where we are now is good enough for our main goal. Edited December 3, 2023 by Optimistic Nut Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 If City can beat Spurs then it's been a decent weekend for us Gained 3 points on Man U and Brighton, gained 2 points on Villa Whilst Liverpool losing would have been nice, realistically they along with Arsenal/City will finish ahead of us Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said: Is it worth changing this to "Champions League-o-meter" since 4th mightn't be necessary, then we can also throw into the convo English team's Euro performances and the co-efficient? Unless the Belgian clubs produce a miracle then where we are now is good enough for our main goal. What are you basing that on? Only two countries get the extra place so it's very much up in the air still. It's pretty important that both us and Man United make at least the Europa League if we are hoping for 5th to be worth a CL place. If we were both to go out altogether it would drag the league average down over the rest of the season. Edited December 3, 2023 by ponsaelius Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 3 minutes ago, ponsaelius said: What are you basing that on? Only two countries get the extra place so it's very much up in the air still. We're currently 3rd in the 23/24 co-efficients so unless Belgium keeps up what they're doing (they're 1st), we're on track. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said: We're currently 3rd in the 23/24 co-efficients so unless Belgium keeps up what they're doing (they're 1st), we're on track. And I'm sure in most seasons we finish 1st or 2nd Helps we have more teams that tend to get further in the competitions Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said: We're currently 3rd in the 23/24 co-efficients so unless Belgium keeps up what they're doing (they're 1st), we're on track. I don't think UEFA website is up to date (or at least for some reason doesn't give an accurate reflection of the state of play). This is best site for tracking coefficients up to date: https://kassiesa.net/uefa/data/method5/ccoef2024.html We're currently 2nd - but any of the big four could get it probably. All depends on who can stay in Europe in any form as getting knocked out altogether can be a drag on the average later in the season. Edit: I have worked out why UEFA website isn't 100% up to date. It hasn't yet factored in the bonus points for getting out of CL group stages (other countries have all had the 5 points each added on where they're through on the other website). Belgium won't get any of these. So the above website is a much more accurate reflection of the current state of play (and likelihood of which countries have a chance of being top two). Edited December 3, 2023 by ponsaelius Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 4 minutes ago, Geordie Ahmed said: And I'm sure in most seasons we finish 1st or 2nd Helps we have more teams that tend to get further in the competitions Yeah but it can also be a drag if you get a few knocked out as it's an average not a total. Spain losing Osasuna in qualifying will significantly impact their average for example this year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 2 hours ago, Geordie Ahmed said: If City can beat Spurs then it's been a decent weekend for us Gained 3 points on Man U and Brighton, gained 2 points on Villa Whilst Liverpool losing would have been nice, realistically they along with Arsenal/City will finish ahead of us Sadly City couldn't beat them but we still gained 2 points on them Slightly annoying as Villa and Spurs were minutes away from losing and us gaining 3 on them but still, if offered this at the start of the weekend I would have taken it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1892 Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 (edited) Am I the only one that still thinks we have an outside shot at winning the league?? Edited December 3, 2023 by Matt1892 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guybrush Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 Just now, Matt1892 said: Am I the only one that still thinks we have an outside shot at winning the league?? Yes, but I am loving the optimism Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 1 minute ago, Matt1892 said: Am I the only one that still thinks we have an outside shot at winning the league?? You, Stuart Pearce, and a few other people I reckon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 5 minutes ago, Matt1892 said: Am I the only one that still thinks we have an outside shot at winning the league?? If we had even just 3 of the missing list available so we could rotate a small amount, or at least make meaningful substitutions, I would do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 5 minutes ago, Matt1892 said: Am I the only one that still thinks we have an outside shot at winning the league?? 3 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: You, Stuart Pearce, and a few other people I reckon David Ike Piers Corbyn Right Said Fred Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 (edited) We're down from 50s to 40/1 for the title with the bookies. Edited December 3, 2023 by Optimistic Nut Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodneyCisse Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 We’d not be far off with a fit squad, could have mixed it up against Bournemouth and maybe come away with something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said: We're down from 50s to 40/1 for the title with the bookies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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