Paullow Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 Meaningful games / timings as well. Liverpool will have likely wrapped up the league in 2 games time with Leicester A and Spurs H, and if so, their following away match at Chelsea will be much less daunting (for Chelsea). Liverpool won't be having eyes on other competitions, but their motivation will be a lot lower than it would have been if there was something riding on it. We may benefit similarly vs Arsenal, but that's away, and there is a bit of needle in the fixture now and they will want to win with us having beaten them 3 times already this season, but not as daunting as if they needed it for 1st or something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza ladra Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 From a PSR stand point, who do want to miss the CL? I'm thinking it's Chelsea and Villa. Don't think missing out on CL will make any difference to City and I'm not convinced that Forset are a long-term threat. Would hurt Villa with their wages to earnings problems and make it difficult for Chelsea to claim "fair market value" on some outrageous shirt sponsorship. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 24 minutes ago, gazza ladra said: From a PSR stand point, who do want to miss the CL? I'm thinking it's Chelsea and Villa. Don't think missing out on CL will make any difference to City and I'm not convinced that Forset are a long-term threat. Would hurt Villa with their wages to earnings problems and make it difficult for Chelsea to claim "fair market value" on some outrageous shirt sponsorship. Villa and Forest. It won't make that significant a dent to Chelsea's income relative to us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 We've now won as many games as Forest and Arsenal. Mental. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarie4 Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 2 hours ago, gazza ladra said: From a PSR stand point, who do want to miss the CL? I'm thinking it's Chelsea and Villa. Don't think missing out on CL will make any difference to City and I'm not convinced that Forset are a long-term threat. Would hurt Villa with their wages to earnings problems and make it difficult for Chelsea to claim "fair market value" on some outrageous shirt sponsorship. Villa, for sure. It's crucial Villa misses out; that'll mess up their plans and maybe they'll sell a star player. Us in third, City fourth, and Forest fifth is perfect for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 2 minutes ago, tarie4 said: Villa, for sure. It's crucial Villa misses out; that'll mess up their plans and maybe they'll sell a star player. Us in third, City fourth, and Forest fifth is perfect for me. Give over. Us, Forest AND Villa in any order 3rd, 4th, 5th would be orgasmic. Fuck the cartel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 2 minutes ago, Groundhog63 said: Give over. Us, Forest AND Villa in any order 3rd, 4th, 5th would be orgasmic. Fuck the cartel Yup. Locking out Man City and Chelsea would be awesome. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarie4 Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 3 minutes ago, Groundhog63 said: Give over. Us, Forest AND Villa in any order 3rd, 4th, 5th would be orgasmic. Fuck the cartel Yeah, I get it. But two straight seasons of Champions League cash for Villa? That'll totally change them, making them a real contender. Chelsea and City will still spend big, with or without the Champions League. So, just looking at the competitive balance, Villa have to be left out. See how not being in the Champions League or even Europe messed up our team building this year? That's just how I see it.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza ladra Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 Right, I get that. I'd prefer Man City and Chelsea finish out of the top 5. But from a strategic point of view (with PSR and all that means), we're better off with Villa missing out. I think.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 5 minutes ago, tarie4 said: Yeah, I get it. But two straight seasons of Champions League cash for Villa? That'll totally change them, making them a real contender. Chelsea and City will still spend big, with or without the Champions League. So, just looking at the competitive balance, Villa have to be left out. See how not being in the Champions League or even Europe messed up our team building this year? That's just how I see it.. Much prefer Villa becoming a challenger than continuing on with the same cartel-clubs season after season. Would that make it theoretically "harder" for us to be one of the teams that qualify for the CL season after season? Maybe, if not most likely, but still... it'd mean more competition between more clubs, which in turn would make qualifying feel much more satisfying and "earned". If the same clubs don't continually qualify for the CL and pocket insane amounts of cash more than the other clubs in the league, it'd make for a more competitive and entertaining league as a whole – which is, to me at least, much more preferable than the same three-four clubs duking it out for the title every season and the rest of the teams just making up the numbers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superior Acuña Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 I keep staring at the table. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superior Acuña Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 1 hour ago, tarie4 said: Yeah, I get it. But two straight seasons of Champions League cash for Villa? That'll totally change them, making them a real contender. Chelsea and City will still spend big, with or without the Champions League. So, just looking at the competitive balance, Villa have to be left out. See how not being in the Champions League or even Europe messed up our team building this year? That's just how I see it.. If we want to step up a level, we need to be chipping away at closing down Man City and Chelsea, in terms of spending power, prestige/attraction and league positions. Would rather do that, even if it means Villa are coming up with us too. That'll be a long road with Man City but us getting CL and Chelsea not would mean we're really starting to become attractive relative to Chelsea - it'd mean CL for 2 years in 3 for us, and none for Chelsea in that timeframe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 5 hours ago, tarie4 said: Yeah, I get it. But two straight seasons of Champions League cash for Villa? That'll totally change them, making them a real contender. Chelsea and City will still spend big, with or without the Champions League. So, just looking at the competitive balance, Villa have to be left out. See how not being in the Champions League or even Europe messed up our team building this year? That's just how I see it.. I guess I'm just so confident in our long term plan and personnel that I think we'll be competing for trophies regularly soon enough regardless, so I welcome any new challenger disrupting the cartel clubs even if that makes it a bit more difficult in thepry for us to achieve short term success. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussiemag Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 If we were to qualify for the UCL next season, the new format would definitely help us. There will be some easier games like Villa had this year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 Villas threat is over stated. Financials are much worst than ours and they don't have a sovereign state backing them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hovagod Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 9 hours ago, Superior Acuña said: It's very nice that Villa and Man City face each other a few days after we play Villa - nice to know that if we lose to Villa (quite likely) they or Man City are definitely dropping points in the next game. Not sure it’s quite likely we lose to Villa, this forum’s infatuation with them aside Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colos Short and Curlies Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 You'd have to assume that no European football puts ManU in a difficult PSR position next year. Chelsea have to run out of loopholes soon as well so keeping those 3/2 away from CL cash maybe the way to get rid of PSR in its current form Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 42 minutes ago, Colos Short and Curlies said: You'd have to assume that no European football puts ManU in a difficult PSR position next year. Chelsea have to run out of loopholes soon as well so keeping those 3/2 away from CL cash maybe the way to get rid of PSR in its current form Less certain about that part than the rest of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucasol Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 9 hours ago, gazza ladra said: From a PSR stand point, who do want to miss the CL? I'm thinking it's Chelsea and Villa. Don't think missing out on CL will make any difference to City and I'm not convinced that Forset are a long-term threat. Would hurt Villa with their wages to earnings problems and make it difficult for Chelsea to claim "fair market value" on some outrageous shirt sponsorship. Same. Chelsea contriving to fuck up in the ECL and then missing out on the CL and EL would be a major headache for them. If not for a free truckload of Infantino vanity project cash, they’d be in fire sale mode. Europa League would force Villa to apply the hand brake a touch whilst still keeping them distracted with Thursday / Sunday fixtures. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 Don’t really care about other teams. We are 2-3 players away from being a top side. We can probably only get those players with the CL boost. So that’s all I care about. We are still on track for the 68 points that will ensure we’ll get CL football no matter what else the others do. Think Palace is our toughest home game. Get past the Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 We're only 3 points behind our 22/23 tally in a season when a loud minority thought we should bin Howe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 2nd is on the cards - KEEMON! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 18 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: We're only 3 points behind our 22/23 tally in a season when a loud minority thought we should bin Howe. And we've won a trophy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 3rd in our hands. It's been a crazy, crazy season. 5 wins in the first 15, 12 wins in the next 16. That's top 2 form over nearly half a season. I can sort of understand why some people were asking questions back in November, but personally never questioned Eddie. He has proven himself over his time here. He's not been helped by a complete lack of recruitment since summer 23. That was a big part of the problem. Amazing what he's achieved here, and there's hopefully much more to come. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazzy Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 (edited) Thinking about 2nd does seem ludicrous. Will seem less so if we neat Palace. It would be hugely gratifying for us to do it though. Everyone in the media talking about the UCL spots a few weeks ago and barley giving us a mention. Really don't want to get ahead of myself though, these next two games for us could change the table dramatically. Edited April 14 by Mazzy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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