The Europeometer™ (2024/25) - NUFC Qualify for Conference League (at least)

[alexf]

Part of the issue with not finishing top 5 would mean that likely Chelsea or Villa got in instead. If we want to push on and establish we can't really afford to let either of those get the PSR boost over us.

 

Villa already have made a killing in the champions league compared to what we earned last year + the Duran sale. 

[Yorkie]

16 minutes ago, Shadow Puppets said:

If the decision comes out re City, and it’s a points deduction, will it happen immediately?

 

Did for Everton and Forest. 

[healthyaddiction]

8 minutes ago, alexf said:

Part of the issue with not finishing top 5 would mean that likely Chelsea or Villa got in instead. If we want to push on and establish we can't really afford to let either of those get the PSR boost over us.

 

Villa already have made a killing in the champions league compared to what we earned last year + the Duran sale. 

And yet there are news reports they're in serious PSR trouble again.

[mondonewc]

19 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

 

Did for Everton and Forest. 

They didn't appeal though right? City very likely will if they lose. That finance guy Maguire was on Overlap last week and seemed to think it would be next season.

[Erikse]

3 minutes ago, mondonewc said:

They didn't appeal though right? City very likely will if they lose. That finance guy Maguire was on Overlap last week and seemed to think it would be next season.

 

Everton did, and got less points deducted as a result.

[mondonewc]

Just now, Erikse said:

 

Everton did, and got less points deducted as a result.

Ah yeah, my memory is abysmal lol

[Vaj]

We are fighting for CL with a team who breached PSR to get there (but fair play to them regardless), one who is facing a potential points deduction due to the 115 charges, one who has cooked the books for two years straight by selling hundreds of millions of assets to themselves and one who is supposedly sailing close to the wind in terms of breaching PSR all without barely spending a penny for two years to comply with these ridiculous rules ourselves. 

 

Huge respect to Eddie and the team for what they have achieved whether we get top 5 or not. 

[Geogaddi]

Win the next two games and this time next week we will be 5th at worst with a game in hand over all the teams around us .

[Sibierski]

59 minutes ago, Shadow Puppets said:

If the decision comes out re City, and it’s a points deduction, will it happen immediately?

 

Think there was chatter any decision like that would be pushed into next season because of appeals.

 

Suppose if it happened and say it was 30 points, do Man City accept no UCL (win FA Cup they still have Europa) and just roll with it. Or appeal, miss out on UCL anyway (and potentially Europe if form stays inconsistent) and have it impact next season title challenge if it was reduced to say 8-10 points.

 

Feels like this season, they'd better taking the points hit if it was there and move on. Suppose the main thing they'd push back on would be if there was a transfer ban because there's a bit of work needed in summer, so may want to get that pushed back to Jan.

 

 

Edited 8 hours ago by Sibierski

[SteV]

21 minutes ago, Sibierski said:

 

Think there was chatter any decision like that would be pushed into next season because of appeals.

 

Suppose if it happened and say it was 30 points, do Man City accept no UCL (win FA Cup they still have Europa) and just roll with it. Or appeal, miss out on UCL anyway (and potentially Europe if form stays inconsistent) and have it impact next season title challenge if it was reduced to say 8-10 points.

 

Feels like this season, they'd better taking the points hit if it was there and move on. Suppose the main thing they'd push back on would be if there was a transfer ban because there's a bit of work needed in summer, so may want to get that pushed back to Jan.

 

 

 

Take a 30 point hit now and they’re only two points ahead of Ipswich. 

[The College Dropout]

59 minutes ago, healthyaddiction said:

And yet there are news reports they're in serious PSR trouble again.

They've speculated again in January (for 6 months) to give them a fighting chance of qualifying again. We need that speculation to fail.

[Sibierski]

38 minutes ago, SteV said:

Take a 30 point hit now and they’re only two points ahead of Ipswich. 

 

If they can't get more points than Ipswich from now to end of season, then they've got bigger problems to worry about  

[SteV]

4 minutes ago, Sibierski said:

 

If they can't get more points than Ipswich from now to end of season, then they've got bigger problems to worry about  

What if it was a 35 point penalty?

[Sibierski]

1 minute ago, SteV said:

What if it was a 35 point penalty?

 

Still roll with it and back yourself on the pitch. Just feels if a points deduction does come and it's around this ball park, you are better off writing off one season fully, then let it write off the next (because it's not going to be wiped completely clean, just be lesser points).

[Hanshithispantz]

No CL and a hefty points deduction next season would be delicious and hopefully throw the wheels off completely. I don't mind City, but they benefited far too much from the pre-PSR windrush and they need levelling out.

 

 

Edited 7 hours ago by Hanshithispantz

[Doctor Zaius]

I feel like its between us, Chelsea and Villa. Forest have enough points on the board and i think will hold their nerve. City will finish top 5. 

 

Villa are in good form but have a lot of fixtures coming up with CL and FA Cup Semi. They've a squad but it will be tough. Chelsea beating Spurs and getting a point away to Brentford is unfortunate. Was hoping they'd come unstuck. I dont think they're all that impressive though.

 

All in our own hands but my gut feeling is that we're just a little too thin squad wise and just a little too inconsistent in that we may just fall short of 5th. CL would be a massive achievement though, arguably impressive than the League Cup win.  

[Unbelievable]

1 hour ago, Vaj said:

We are fighting for CL with a team who breached PSR to get there (but fair play to them regardless), one who is facing a potential points deduction due to the 115 charges, one who has cooked the books for two years straight by selling hundreds of millions of assets to themselves and one who is supposedly sailing close to the wind in terms of breaching PSR all without barely spending a penny for two years to comply with these ridiculous rules ourselves. 

 

Huge respect to Eddie and the team for what they have achieved whether we get top 5 or not. 

Don’t forget the two teams with over double our revenue, total wages etc. languishing in lower midtable. Eddie and the ownership are doing a fantastic job making us competitive despite the rules put in place to prevent it, and I hope we get our just rewards.

[NWMag]

Handy graphic here

 

 

[Erikse]

44 minutes ago, NWMag said:

Handy graphic here

 

 

 

Feels like most of those fixture lists are pretty equal. Forest and Man City probably the easiest. Chelsea the worst one maybe, but it's not that bad. Ours is about as tough as Chelseas, but we also have a few pretty easy ones on paper, and obviously we have 2 games in hand. Currently I think we are a better team than Chelsea anyways.

 

 

Edited 4 hours ago by Erikse

[The College Dropout]

3 hours ago, Doctor Zaius said:

I feel like its between us, Chelsea and Villa. Forest have enough points on the board and i think will hold their nerve. City will finish top 5. 

 

Villa are in good form but have a lot of fixtures coming up with CL and FA Cup Semi. They've a squad but it will be tough. Chelsea beating Spurs and getting a point away to Brentford is unfortunate. Was hoping they'd come unstuck. I dont think they're all that impressive though.

 

All in our own hands but my gut feeling is that we're just a little too thin squad wise and just a little too inconsistent in that we may just fall short of 5th. CL would be a massive achievement though, arguably impressive than the League Cup win.  

With no other competition and all our rivals having other comps bar Forest - our squad is fine if we can avoid further injuries and suspensions. I know with Howe we can get ourselves up for big games, especially at home. 
 

I’ve had Man City as a given for top 5 but it’s not guaranteed.  They’re deservedly 1 point better off than Aston Villa.  
 

Qualifying for CL feels like a watershed moment. The funds should allow us to try and properly kick on and secure a bump in our Saudi sponsorships. 
 

I was sceptical at first. But we need to add more Sandro Tonali’s and Isak’s. We are a bit of luck and a couple quality signings away from being CL mainstays. 

[GeordieDazzler]

I do wonder with City if they would ask for any points deduction to be applied to this season and use the shallower schedule (if no Europe) next year to get some legs back into the team.
 

A big part of their drop off this year was the fact that some of their players had essentially done three years straight with minimal breaks. 
 

 

 

[Lush Vlad]

Forest are in the FA Cup still. That could still impact on their season. Even if it is just another game or two at most. 

[GeordieDazzler]

5 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

With no other competition and all our rivals having other comps bar Forest - our squad is fine if we can avoid further injuries and suspensions. I know with Howe we can get ourselves up for big games, especially at home. 
 

I’ve had Man City as a given for top 5 but it’s not guaranteed.  They’re deservedly 1 point better off than Aston Villa.  
 

Qualifying for CL feels like a watershed moment. The funds should allow us to try and properly kick on and secure a bump in our Saudi sponsorships. 
 

I was sceptical at first. But we need to add more Sandro Tonali’s and Isak’s. We are a bit of luck and a couple quality signings away from being CL mainstays. 

Forest are still in the cup 

[GeordieDazzler]

We play Man United in the between their season defining Lyon games and we also play Villa immediately after they play PSG and immediately before they play City and then the Semi final. Hopefully means we should have legs on both.

[jack j]

18 minutes ago, GeordieDazzler said:

We play Man United in the between their season defining Lyon games and we also play Villa immediately after they play PSG and immediately before they play City and then the Semi final. Hopefully means we should have legs on both.

Palace got 4 games in the next 11 days before the cup semi 3 days after that

Surely there minds will be elsewhere/ and using their squad