The Europeometer™ (2024/25)

[Unbelievable]

1 hour ago, Stifler said:

Win on Sunday and it doesn’t matter where we finish.

Seriously, wtf Stifler?

[Stifler]

7 minutes ago, Unbelievable said:

Seriously, wtf Stifler?

Win on Sunday and we are in Europe.

 

Also, from my point of view, I’d swap finishing high up the league for a cup final win.

[Paullow]

 

Those are the current 'top 4' odds. Doesn't appear to be 'top 5' odds, despite it being fairly apparent 5th in the PL will get CL football next season. 

[ChrisJbarnes]

Brentford, Palace, Ipswich, Man United and Everton are all in principle winnable home games. Likewise Leicester away.

 

Chelsea home will be a tough game which will be key to win

 

Brighton, Aston Villa- tough away games. A point would be a great result. 

 

Arsenal will have lost the league by the time we play them. But probably hate us 

 

As someone else said, we have come through a very tricky period of fixtures and ended up scrapping a good result tonight. Focus on the final and hopefully win this weekend. If we don't, still put ourselves in a good position to aim for 5th and CL qualification with other teams with extra competitions to distract them.

 

 

[Colos Short and Curlies]

Chelsea's fixtures are tough, They could easily pick up <15 points from their 10 games.

 

Win our home 6 games and I reckon we get 5th. Add one win from the 4 away games and 4th is a possibility

[astraguy]

Nottingham Forest-P28 Points 51 GD 12,  Ipswich (A), Man U (H),Villa (A), Everton (H), Spurs (A), Brentford (H), Crystal Palace (A), Leicester City (H), West Ham  (A), Chelsea (H)
Manchester City-P28 Points 47 GD 15, Brighton (H), Leicester (H), Man United (A), Palace (H), Everton (A), Villa (H), Wolves (H), Southampton (A), Bournemouth (H), Fulham (A)
Chelsea-P28 Points 47 GD 17 Arsenal (A), Spurs (H), Brentford (A), Ipswich (H), Fulham (A), Everton (H), Liverpool (H), Newcastle (A),  Man U (H), Forest (A)
Newcastle United-P28 Points 47 GD 9, -, Brentford (H), Leicester (A), Man U (H), Palace (H), Villa (A), Ipswich (H), Brighton (A), Chelsea (H), Arsenal (A), Everton (H)
Bournemouth-P28 Points 44 GD 13,Spurs (A), Brentford (H), Ipswich (H), West Ham (A), Fulham (H), Palace (A), Man United (H), Arsenal (A), Villa (H),Man City (A), Leicester (H)
Brighton P28 Points 46 GD 6,  Man City (A), Villa (H), Palace (A), Leicester (H), Brentford (A), West Ham (H), Newcastle (H), Wolves (A), Liverpool (H), Spurs (A)
Fulham P28 Points 42 GD-3,  Spurs (H), Arsenal (A), Liverpool (H), Bournemouth (A), Chelsea (H), Southampton (A), Villa (A), Everton (H), Brentford (A),Man City (H)
Aston Villa-P29 Points 45 GD-4 , Brighton (A), Forest (H), Southampton (A), Newcastle (H), Man City (A), Fulham (H), Bournemouth (A), Spurs (H),Man United (A)

 

 

 

Edited 14 hours ago by astraguy

[Nucasol]

5 hours ago, ChrisJbarnes said:

Brentford, Palace, Ipswich, Man United and Everton are all in principle winnable home games. Likewise Leicester away.

 

Chelsea home will be a tough game which will be key to win

 

Brighton, Aston Villa- tough away games. A point would be a great result. 

 

Arsenal will have lost the league by the time we play them. But probably hate us 

 

As someone else said, we have come through a very tricky period of fixtures and ended up scrapping a good result tonight. Focus on the final and hopefully win this weekend. If we don't, still put ourselves in a good position to aim for 5th and CL qualification with other teams with extra competitions to distract them.

 

 

Hoping Arsenal progress in the UCL to make them prioritise that rather than the dead rubber PL by that point.

[TheBrownBottle]

5 hours ago, Stifler said:

Win on Sunday and we are in Europe.

 

Also, from my point of view, I’d swap finishing high up the league for a cup final win.

I've seen us finish 2nd twice, 3rd twice, 4th twice, 5th twice ...

 

And I'll happily say that anyone who wants to do any of the above rather than seeing us win a trophy is talking absolute shite  

[Nucasol]

12 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

I've seen us finish 2nd twice, 3rd twice, 4th twice, 5th twice ...

 

And I'll happily say that anyone who wants to do any of the above rather than seeing us win a trophy is talking absolute shite  

The thought of that adrenaline rush of achieving something on the day is what keeps you going. 

[Unbelievable]

1 hour ago, TheBrownBottle said:

I've seen us finish 2nd twice, 3rd twice, 4th twice, 5th twice ...

 

And I'll happily say that anyone who wants to do any of the above rather than seeing us win a trophy is talking absolute shite  

If you want to see us compete in the long run, which you seem rather hung up on, CL qualification is vital. I obviously want us to win the final, but to suggest if we win the final out PL finishing position doesn’t matter anymore (which is what Stifler said) is very shortsighted I’m afraid.

[ExiledGeordie]

7 hours ago, ChrisJbarnes said:

Brentford, Palace, Ipswich, Man United and Everton are all in principle winnable home games. Likewise Leicester away.

 

Chelsea home will be a tough game which will be key to win

 

Brighton, Aston Villa- tough away games. A point would be a great result. 

 

Arsenal will have lost the league by the time we play them. But probably hate us 

 

As someone else said, we have come through a very tricky period of fixtures and ended up scrapping a good result tonight. Focus on the final and hopefully win this weekend. If we don't, still put ourselves in a good position to aim for 5th and CL qualification with other teams with extra competitions to distract them.

 

 

Totally agree. Whatever happens Sunday the players have got an international break after to reset things with a run of four games after that where we can really make a push. I think Howe will have them mentally ready for it too. 

[ExiledGeordie]

30 minutes ago, Unbelievable said:

If you want to see us compete in the long run, which you seem rather hung up on, CL qualification is vital. I obviously want us to win the final, but to suggest if we win the final out PL finishing position doesn’t matter anymore (which is what Stifler said) is very shortsighted I’m afraid.

CL qualification going into this summer is the chance for the squad to really become something impressive and rule out the likes of Isak going. 

[TheBrownBottle]

45 minutes ago, Unbelievable said:

If you want to see us compete in the long run, which you seem rather hung up on, CL qualification is vital. I obviously want us to win the final, but to suggest if we win the final out PL finishing position doesn’t matter anymore (which is what Stifler said) is very shortsighted I’m afraid.

I'm as hung up on it as anyone  - but there's zero guarantees about anything, and regular CL qualification is important in the long run, but ultimately I'd be perfectly happy with Conference League next year and another realistic chance of winning a trophy.

 

Perhaps our commercial team could continue growing at the current rate, which I understand is achievable, rendering CL qualification unnecessary  

[TheBrownBottle]

7 hours ago, Paullow said:

 

Those are the current 'top 4' odds. Doesn't appear to be 'top 5' odds, despite it being fairly apparent 5th in the PL will get CL football next season. 

They are the 3rd - 10th odds tbf - that's the bookies' league table prediction.  It looks like they think we'll finish 6th.

[Dr.Spaceman]

7 hours ago, Stifler said:

Win on Sunday and we are in Europe.

 

Also, from my point of view, I’d swap finishing high up the league for a cup final win.

 

If we win on Sunday I think it will lift the pressure off the players and the crowd will be buzzing for a few weeks. We'll finish higher in the league as a result.

[Matt1892]

45 minutes ago, Unbelievable said:

If you want to see us compete in the long run, which you seem rather hung up on, CL qualification is vital. I obviously want us to win the final, but to suggest if we win the final out PL finishing position doesn’t matter anymore (which is what Stifler said) is very shortsighted I’m afraid.

Agree with this, we are not going to close the financial gap and attract the best players by winning the Carabao cup.

 

Not that it should be one or the other. However, you seen with Ten Hag’s Man Utd last season that winning a cup can be a good distraction from failing in the league, but once the celebrations are over it ultimately catches up with you.

[Heron]

Expanding the global brand will only be done at greater speed by winning trophies and not achieving CL football. Obviously the latter helps but fans who aren't from the region are more likely to tune in for a team that wins trophies.

 

I honestly think none of our key players leave in the summer if we win a cup.

[NEEJ]

We'll get a minimum of 18 points from the last ten games, of that I'm confident. A couple of extra points here and there and we'll finish 5th. 

[Unbelievable]

16 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

I'm as hung up on it as anyone  - but there's zero guarantees about anything, and regular CL qualification is important in the long run, but ultimately I'd be perfectly happy with Conference League next year and another realistic chance of winning a trophy.

 

Perhaps our commercial team could continue growing at the current rate, which I understand is achievable, rendering CL qualification unnecessary  

Surely you can see the two things are intrinsically linked? Competing at CL level and in the top four/five in the league when the opportunity arises (like this season) is what will generate the commercial revenue we need to catch up and compete consistently.

[Kid Icarus]

[NEEJ]

[Matt1892]

5 minutes ago, Heron said:

Expanding the global brand will only be done at greater speed by winning trophies and not achieving CL football. Obviously the latter helps but fans who aren't from the region are more likely to tune in for a team that wins trophies.

 

I honestly think none of our key players leave in the summer if we win a cup.

A one off carabao cup win isn’t going to make much difference to a global brand, see the likes of Swansea and Birmingham for that.

 

Champions League qualification brings in big money, allowing the club to spend more on transfer and attracting better players. It is still on the club to build on that but it is the springboard to better things and popularity globally. 
 

Spurs are a great example of that.

[Unbelievable]

10 minutes ago, Heron said:

Expanding the global brand will only be done at greater speed by winning trophies and not achieving CL football. Obviously the latter helps but fans who aren't from the region are more likely to tune in for a team that wins trophies.

 

I honestly think none of our key players leave in the summer if we win a cup.

With all due respect, I don’t think winning the league cup, as brilliant as it would be to get that monkey of our back, would significantly move the needle in building the brand. Being in the CL for the second time in three years, now you’re talking.

[ponsaelius]

Obviously that's not what Stifler said but if it was a question between the two it's a cup win every single day of the week. 

[Kid Icarus]

Reminds me of a couple of seasons ago when the mentality with some boiled down to "not sure if we should qualify for the Champions League, it'll harm our ability to get into the Champions League!"

 

I don't think people truly appreciate what winning a cup would do for this football club right now. We're already on an upward trajectory, it would get a huge monkey off our back, increase the liklihood of it happening again, and galvanise everyone. We're not going to do a Swansea or Birmingham, that's idiotic.

 

 

Edited 11 hours ago by Kid Icarus