The Prophet Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 8 hours ago, Stottie said: In all comps since Brighton, we have 8 clean sheets in 12 games. That includes AC Milan away, both Manchester clubs, and Arsenal. Without Botman for most of those too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 Personally i think it's a bit too early to say that we cant catch the above or that we can't be caught by teams below us. It can change very very quickly either way as we have seen now already, and in the past. Perhaps unlikely/likely is a better choice of words than can/can't. So much can still happen over a season. 5-10 points advantage or disadvantage can change in only a few weeks. Should just focus on ourselves and game by game like Eddie always says. Having said that, i am watching how teams around us do too and hope our "rivals" drop points. So much still to go. Momentum, injuries, signings, suspensions and bad luck and so on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 All rides on suspensions, injuries etc. No Bruno next week, we didn't win a league game without him last year did we? We have been unlucky with injuries but most of them are mid to long term so it's not gonna turn around quickly, then you are just hoping we don't pick up anymore. But we are currently picking up a fresh injury each game at the moment. Likewise if we get bit more luck with injuries and Isak, Botman come back in and then Barnes, maybe a few signings in January, possibly out of europe and then suddenly we could go on a mad winning run like we did last year in the league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 I think we are going to run out of steam a bit, because of all the injuries and our main signing basically missing the whole season. But when you look at the results and performances, it has been pretty positive so far in regards to a top 4 finish. In the league, it is only really the Brighton game where we were miles off the pace and deserved to lose. Open it up to the cups and you can include Milan, as well. The capitulation against Liverpool still stings a bit, as we'd be right in amongst all the top 4-5 already. Wolves and West Ham were not great in regards to being ahead and conceding late. But we didn't deserve the win at Wolves and we were arguably lucky with goals in both of those games. Basically every game we have been in, we have either been miles clear of the opposition and deserved the win, or we've at least been competing and a draw has probably been the fair result overall. Even City away where we created fuck all. They never looked like blowing us away like they usually have over the years and like they do to so many From memory, Foden was the difference maker on the night and we still had a chance of getting something at the end. I know most clubs will look at games with rose tinted specs on and will hark back to dropped points. But going back through our results, I can't see many games where we were massively fortunate to get a result or didn't deserve something from the game. We always seem to compete under Howe and that's all you can ask for at this stage, really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 That was an absolutely huge fixture for us this season. The belief the players will have after beating Arsenal makes me believe that we’re in with a shot of top four even in spite of half the team being on the operating table Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 I believe we are a top 4 side, I just haven't decided who isn't yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 Just now, STM said: I believe we are a top 4 side, I just haven't decided who isn't yet. Imagine if Arsenal fell apart mentally after this result and it derailed them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 1 minute ago, STM said: I believe we are a top 4 side, I just haven't decided who isn't yet. This is likely true and can be extended to top 5. Long way to go but there's a decent chance that whomever finishes 6th in that first Europa League spot will feel a bit hard done by. Will be even in more true if England fail to get the extra place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solitude20 Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 3 hours ago, alexf said: All rides on suspensions, injuries etc. No Bruno next week, we didn't win a league game without him last year did we? We have been unlucky with injuries but most of them are mid to long term so it's not gonna turn around quickly, then you are just hoping we don't pick up anymore. But we are currently picking up a fresh injury each game at the moment. Likewise if we get bit more luck with injuries and Isak, Botman come back in and then Barnes, maybe a few signings in January, possibly out of europe and then suddenly we could go on a mad winning run like we did last year in the league. Him missing the game against Bournemouth is much better than missing the game after that against Chelsea. A very good timing to get suspended I would say. It might’ve been even intentional. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 4 minutes ago, Solitude20 said: Him missing the game against Bournemouth is much better than missing the game after that against Chelsea. A very good timing to get suspended I would say. It might’ve been even intentional. A booking.....yes. but not the way he went about it. Intentional would have been kicking the ball away/imaginary card waving, not something the could have been a red (Jorginho). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 51 minutes ago, gbandit said: Imagine if Arsenal fell apart mentally after this result and it derailed them I think if anyone will it'll be them. For the money they've spent they don't seem much better to last season or the season before, other than Rice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 19 minutes ago, Solitude20 said: Him missing the game against Bournemouth is much better than missing the game after that against Chelsea. A very good timing to get suspended I would say. It might’ve been even intentional. Agreed. However I just meant, he was crucial to us winning games last year in the league. I think he even missed this fixture last year did he? and we drew it. So I was just saying as a generic example, something as simple as losing Bruno for a game or so can disrupt our momentum. I would like to think we have enough without Bruno to beat this current Bournemouth team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 I don't think there's any chance Arsenal finish outside of the Top 4/5. Odegaard was a big miss and most teams don't wind them up the way we do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiLvOR Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 Think it's actually really difficult to predict, other than (imo) Man City and Liverpool. Arsenal could bottle it, but I doubt it. Spurs have yet to have an iffy patch or play a lot of difficult teams in a row. So while they look great now, a lot of my Spurs mates are worried that their depth is going to be their undoing. Man U aren't that far off, some-fucking-how, so you never really know, though again, doubt they'll do it. Chelsea are another that could quite conceivably stick a run together and without European distractions, may well have an outside chance. But they're shit as well. Saying that, could be a massive turning point for them tonight against Spurs. Which leaves us and Villa, really, as the next closest. I don't think Brighton will have what it takes, so I'm ruling them out. January could impact a lot of this. Spurs for instance, could address their squad issues, and then be almost impossible to get out of the top 4. Gun to my head, I think we finish 5th. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 Man City and Liverpool are the only certs. Arsenal 'should' be at least 3rd with what they've spent but if they're going to crumble like on Saturday they might drop. Spurs are similar to us last year I reckon. They could drop and level off to around 6th, but if they keep riding this crest when the tougher games come, they will be close to 4th. Man Utd are a fucking nightmare to work out. They've been shit and should be lower mid-table based on performances but are somehow in the mix. Villa could finish anywhere better 4th and 9th. Chelsea are another nightmare to second guess. You wouldn't be shocked if they went on a run like we've just had since Brighton even though it doesn't look like it's coming. It's class for the league, though. Just a shame Man City are so much better than anyone else because title races could be exciting as fuck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 (edited) If Spurs had equivalent injuries to us: Van de Ven/ Romero = Botman Son = Isak Not to mention our other absentees: Tonali, Murphy, Barnes etc. I don't think they would cope aswell as we have. So it all depends on them keeping their key men fit. But they could definitely replicate us last year with having less fixtures than everyone else. Edited November 6, 2023 by alexf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 8 minutes ago, alexf said: If Spurs had equivalent injuries to us: Van de Ven/ Romero = Botman Son = Isak Not to mention our other absentees: Tonali, Murphy, Barnes etc. I don't think they would cope aswell as we have. So it all depends on them keeping their key men fit. But they could definitely replicate us last year with having less fixtures than everyone else. They're likely going to play about 12 games fewer than us this season you'd think so injuries will fall in their favour you'd think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 16 minutes ago, alexf said: If Spurs had equivalent injuries to us: Van de Ven/ Romero = Botman Son = Isak Not to mention our other absentees: Tonali, Murphy, Barnes etc. I don't think they would cope aswell as we have. So it all depends on them keeping their key men fit. But they could definitely replicate us last year with having less fixtures than everyone else. Agreed, just losing Maddison or Son would seriously impact them. Though that's probably more like us losing Bruno or Trippier. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzza Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 Spurs gettin beat, injuries and red cards can do us no harm... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 Oh it's on now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 So we've probably found Ange's weakness They could have been down to 4 outfield players and they still would have been sat on that line. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 Spurs have three of the top 6, a local derby and a tricky away game at Wolves in the next 5. If they come through that lot with 9 or more they'll finish top 4. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellars Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 On an equivolent fixture basis, we are actually 4 points better off thus far than last year, swapping Sheffield (a) + Burnley (h) for Southampton (a) + Leicester (h). Looking at the next 8 matches, we secured 20 / 24 points last season, including wins vs Man Utd (h), Chelsea (h), Tottenham (a). Not a ton of room for error for top 4. But top 5... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 On 30/10/2023 at 14:08, The Prophet said: So some very quick fag packet maths, from the teams in and around us last year: Man United -7 Us +3 Liverpool +3 Villa +2 Brighton -2 Spurs +11 Rolling table, I might try and put something less basic together if I get time... Man United -7 Us +6 Liverpool +3 Villa +1 Brighton -4 Spurs +8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 14 minutes ago, The Prophet said: Rolling table, I might try and put something less basic together if I get time... Man United -7 Us +6 Liverpool +3 Villa +1 Brighton -4 Spurs +8 Is this table based on the points difference after the same number of games last season? Or is it based on the comparison with the opposition faced? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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