Anthony Gordon (now playing for FC Barcelona)

[Pablo]

Bayern are notoriously cheap, so not expecting a big or possibly even a fair fee. However, I’d be investigating if they have young and or fringe players who would suit us and look for something of a part ex. Always said we should have been taking Gravenberch off them before the bin dippers did. 

[Groundhog63]

22 minutes ago, Geogaddi said:

Nah the Bundesliga is so poor these days, Gordon will be brilliant in it. Would expect him to get 15+ goals in that Bayern team against the type of teams he will be up against each week. He was never going to be good enough for one of the elite teams in this league as shown by his record and performances for us over the last 2 years. A move to Bayern is perfect for him as he can stat pad against all the farmers and continue with the notion in his head that he is an elite footballer.

Every chance those player 'padding their stats out in the Farmer's league' can pad it out a bit more by adding Champions League Winners to it

[TRon]

10 hours ago, Whitley mag said:

Our best winger by a mile, being left with the other 3 is the stuff of fucking nightmares.

 

He wants away, better to cash in now, at least we should be able to extract top dollar for him. I think it's going to be a season of rebuilding next time round anyway, can't see us challenging for CL with the current crop of players, and we tried buying proven players to challenge this time round and we blew it. 

 

The next stage will be painful but inevitable because of SCR. 

[Chicken Dancer]

1 hour ago, Kid Icarus said:

I was slightly wrong but it's 3.

It’s definitely more than 3. There’s 4 I can remember off the top of my head alone. (Barca, Sunderland, Liverpool + Chelsea)

[Superior Acuña]

1 hour ago, Kid Icarus said:

I was slightly wrong but it's 3.

Its 8. 3 from open play in the league, but all your other numbers there refer to all comps (eg Elanga has scored 0 in the league) 

 

 

Edited April 21 by Superior Acuña

[Kid Icarus]

11 minutes ago, Chicken Dancer said:

It’s definitely more than 3. There’s 4 I can remember off the top of my head alone. (Barca, Sunderland, Liverpool + Chelsea)

Sorry yeah, I was looking at just in the league. It is 8 including 5 in the CL. Tbf my issue is more with thinking Barnes is shit than thinking Gordon is good. 

 

 

 

 

Edited April 21 by Kid Icarus

[Geogaddi]

1 hour ago, Groundhog63 said:

Every chance those player 'padding their stats out in the Farmer's league' can pad it out a bit more by adding Champions League Winners to it

Munich can win or come close to winning the Champions League with our without Gordon, he certainly isn't going to be the difference maker in them winning it or not.

[RobsonsWonderland]

Gordon is not shit otherwise top clubs would not be interested in him.

 

People confuse their personal dislike of a player with their ability to play football.

 

To be fair I'm just as bad as I hate half the team... Just don't think Gordon has been anywhere near our biggest problem this year 

 

 

[Kimbo]

Top clubs buy plenty of shite tbf.

[AJ9]

I think we sell him regardless. Getting 75m isn’t going to happen, but I think we need to move on the lads who don’t want to be here. We take the profit and roll. We want to be good sellers of course but we also want players committed to the club. We’ve obviously had an issue with player power here and we need a reset. Get rid of the ones that don’t want it here and move on.

[Shearergol]

5 minutes ago, RobsonsWonderland said:

Gordon is not shit otherwise top clubs would not be interested in him.

 

People confuse their personal dislike of a player with their ability to play football.

 

To be fair I'm just as bad as I hate half the team... Just don't think Gordon has been anywhere near our biggest problem this year 

 

 

 

He's been one of the least of our problems if people were really being honest.

[r0cafella]

4 minutes ago, Shearergol said:

 

He's been one of the least of our problems if people were really being honest.

Your right but this more speaks to the scale of the problems when have imo. 

[Groundhog63]

15 minutes ago, RobsonsWonderland said:

Gordon is not shit otherwise top clubs would not be interested in him.

 

People confuse their personal dislike of a player with their ability to play football.

 

To be fair I'm just as bad as I hate half the team... Just don't think Gordon has been anywhere near our biggest problem this year 

 

 

Hate's a strong word but if you, genuinely, "hate half the team" then I don't think football is the sport for you.

[Shearergol]

Just now, Groundhog63 said:

Hate's a strong word but if you, genuinely, "hate half the team" then I don't think football is the sport for you.

 

I like 99% of our squad but hate watching a lot of them

[Groundhog63]

Just now, Shearergol said:

 

I like 99% of our squad but hate watching a lot of them

That's more like it 😉

[Kimbo]

I don’t hate Gordon at all. I don’t care how he looks or what haircut he has, I don’t think he has a particularly bad attitude. People do talk a lot of random shite about him.

I don’t rate him that highly however. Yes he’s probably our best attacker now Isak has gone but his competition for that status is shocking. I think Gordon at his best is quick, presses incredibly well, and overwhelms opponents with energy more than anything else. Technically I think he’s pretty average for a winger, his crossing can be decent, he can’t strike a ball, he isn’t really a creative type that plays killer passes. He did have a period where he looked like he could be a top player, but that was a long time ago now. I doubt he’ll get any better if he wants to leave and we make him stay.

 

 

Edited April 21 by Kimbo

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I didn't hate him before but I will if he's downed tools now.

[St1pe]

I’m sort of torn on Gordon going. 
 

I don’t think he gets the credit he deserves and I don’t think people understand what he brings to the team. That said im fully of the opinion that if someone doesn’t want to be we need to move them on. Bayern would be a good move for all parties if he wanted to leave. 
 

Also after talking to @HawK (I think it was) about the 4-3-3 formation in comparison to how it’s worked successfully for other clubs - he was right. That front 3 needs to be firing for the formation to work. The comparison was Liverpool when they dominated in that system. Literally none of our wingers or forwards are doing enough numbers. Murphy isn’t assisting as much, Barnes’s goals, none of the forwards are consistent or are completely shit. Gordon is the most sellable asset and we need some sort of rebuild. I also don’t think he creates enough or adds enough goals to justify building that front 3 around. 
 

Short version I guess is if we sold Gordon for a decent fee. Got a replacement and kept say Tonali I don’t think it’d be the end of the world despite liking him as a player. 

[Abacus]

If he wants to go, let him go. After that proposed Liverpool transfer, I think it was admitted that his head had been turned and his form dropped off hugely at the same time. 

 

With the right fee, given the rumours he's open to the move, then it's probably "so long" from me. We'd miss him and I do rate him, but at the same time I find his inconsistency a bit tiring.

 

You could say that about a lot of the squad at the moment though, so it's hard to know if it's a general team malfunction rather than down to individuals. 

 

Of course it would be better to keep him if he's still interested and committed but that's the bit I don't know enough to comment about. 

 

Reading back, I've ultimately just said a whole load of nothing there, but it's the taking part that counts.

[Rich]

Think it was a pretty good summation tbh.

[SteV]

15 minutes ago, St1pe said:

 

I don’t think he gets the credit he deserves and I don’t think people understand what he brings to the team. That said im fully of the opinion that if someone doesn’t want to be we need to move them on. Bayern would be a good move for all parties if he wanted to leave. 

Completely agree with that. 
 

He’s our best attacker and we’ll miss him badly, but if he does want away then it’s probably best for all parties, as long as we can line up a replacement in advance and not get dropped in it, like we were with dickhead last summer.

 

Also watching him win trophies with Bayern would be far more palatable than watching him do it with Liverpool / Arsenal.

[Mattoon]

1 hour ago, Abacus said:

If he wants to go, let him go. After that proposed Liverpool transfer, I think it was admitted that his head had been turned and his form dropped off hugely at the same time. 

 

With the right fee, given the rumours he's open to the move, then it's probably "so long" from me. We'd miss him and I do rate him, but at the same time I find his inconsistency a bit tiring.

 

You could say that about a lot of the squad at the moment though, so it's hard to know if it's a general team malfunction rather than down to individuals. 

 

Of course it would be better to keep him if he's still interested and committed but that's the bit I don't know enough to comment about. 

 

Reading back, I've ultimately just said a whole load of nothing there, but it's the taking part that counts.

 

I think it has become patently obvious he has checked out, he's still an effective player and probably one of the best on the pitch currently (low bar), and definitely our best attacking outlet, but long gone are the days he would run the entire length and width of the pitch to win the ball back, harry and press to his full capability, you can see that level of commitment has waned since the Liverpool interest.

[HawK]

1 hour ago, St1pe said:

I’m sort of torn on Gordon going. 
 

I don’t think he gets the credit he deserves and I don’t think people understand what he brings to the team. That said im fully of the opinion that if someone doesn’t want to be we need to move them on. Bayern would be a good move for all parties if he wanted to leave. 
 

Also after talking to @HawK (I think it was) about the 4-3-3 formation in comparison to how it’s worked successfully for other clubs - he was right. That front 3 needs to be firing for the formation to work. The comparison was Liverpool when they dominated in that system. Literally none of our wingers or forwards are doing enough numbers. Murphy isn’t assisting as much, Barnes’s goals, none of the forwards are consistent or are completely shit. Gordon is the most sellable asset and we need some sort of rebuild. I also don’t think he creates enough or adds enough goals to justify building that front 3 around. 
 

Short version I guess is if we sold Gordon for a decent fee. Got a replacement and kept say Tonali I don’t think it’d be the end of the world despite liking him as a player. 

 

Yeah it was me - thanks for the tag.

 

For what it's worth, I don't think 4-3-3 is the best system for the players we have any more, it was previously but it's miles way now imho.

 

We're crying out for a 4-4-2 or a 4-2-3-1. Gordon for me would be the right-sided attacker in either of those but as an inverted winger, you need to be absolutely dominant for it to work well or it just narrows the pitch and make it easier for the opponents to defend.

[TRon]

2 hours ago, Kimbo said:

I don’t hate Gordon at all. I don’t care how he looks or what haircut he has, I don’t think he has a particularly bad attitude. People do talk a lot of random shite about him.

I don’t rate him that highly however. Yes he’s probably our best attacker now Isak has gone but his competition for that status is shocking. I think Gordon at his best is quick, presses incredibly well, and overwhelms opponents with energy more than anything else. Technically I think he’s pretty average for a winger, his crossing can be decent, he can’t strike a ball, he isn’t really a creative type that plays killer passes. He did have a period where he looked like he could be a top player, but that was a long time ago now. I doubt he’ll get any better if he wants to leave and we make him stay.

 

 

 

 

 

He's better than the average winger IMO. We've seen enough shite ones here to know that if we sell him, the chances of replacing him well could be really hit or miss. Top wide men cost a fortune for a reason. 

[The College Dropout]

4 hours ago, Mole said:

If that were to happen then we'll just end up in a future where "I would like to keep x and get better players to play on the left"

 

Because none of them are actually good enough and if it was up to me we would just start over on wingers completely.

Both Gordon and Barnes have contributed a lot to teams that have finished in the top 8 and won cups. They aren’t bad players or below our level.  I don’t think either are world beaters but both are decent players for this level.  
 

Neither Barnes or Gordon will be easy to replace.  Theres a reason 1 is going to the World Cup for England, linked to Liverpool and Bayern and the other is in the conversation to go.  There are not loads of top class wide players floating around.  And again - we have much weaker areas of the squad to address. 

Elanga and Murphy are not good enough for this level and the priority should be improving them. We lack quality in midfield.  We lack any quality upfront. We may only have 1 fullback in August.  Like I wouldn’t want to buy a LW unless Gordon really wants to move.