duo Posted December 15, 2023 Share Posted December 15, 2023 Is he injured? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted December 15, 2023 Share Posted December 15, 2023 3 minutes ago, duo said: Is he injured? Probably Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted December 15, 2023 Share Posted December 15, 2023 13 minutes ago, reefatoon said: Probably lush - he is due a rest tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 Another assist? He played a pinger of a cross in with his left in the second half, hope he carries on using it more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newcastle Fan Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 I noticed today his running off the ball isn't very intelligent, either when pressing or when we have the ball, once he fixes that aspect he'll be even more of a threat to other teams. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 40 minutes ago, Newcastle Fan said: I noticed today his running off the ball isn't very intelligent, either when pressing or when we have the ball, once he fixes that aspect he'll be even more of a threat to other teams. his movement and pressing are his two biggest strengths imo. He’s been poor with the ball recently though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 40 minutes ago, Newcastle Fan said: I noticed today his running off the ball isn't very intelligent, either when pressing or when we have the ball, once he fixes that aspect he'll be even more of a threat to other teams. Go to the previous page, top half and watch the video that specifically debunks what you are saying. That being said, he hasn't been playing at the level he was the last 2-3 games, but every player should be allowed drop in form from time to time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 Thought he was pretty good today, tbh. Unlucky with his shot off the bar, loads of nice bits of interplay, an assist. Considering he's playing through a knock then that's not bad going at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astroblack Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 45 minutes ago, Newcastle Fan said: I noticed today his running off the ball isn't very intelligent, either when pressing or when we have the ball, once he fixes that aspect he'll be even more of a threat to other teams. I’m not sure I agree with this. His willingness to receive the ball is one of his best attributes. Literally has his palms out stretched like “give me the ball” running full speed. Pure footballer who will only get better and better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagten Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 42 minutes ago, Astroblack said: I’m not sure I agree with this. His willingness to receive the ball is one of his best attributes. Literally has his palms out stretched like “give me the ball” running full speed. Pure footballer who will only get better and better. I still don’t get what elite talents he has or is likely to develop. He’s decent and works well for Howe but I don’t see beyond that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 Near Olympic speed for one Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 55 minutes ago, Conjo said: Go to the previous page, top half and watch the video that specifically debunks what you are saying. That being said, he hasn't been playing at the level he was the last 2-3 games, but every player should be allowed drop in form from time to time. Exactly! That take was utterly ridiculous Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikky Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 1 hour ago, Newcastle Fan said: I noticed today his running off the ball isn't very intelligent, either when pressing or when we have the ball, once he fixes that aspect he'll be even more of a threat to other teams. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 17 minutes ago, Jagten said: I still don’t get what elite talents he has or is likely to develop. He’s decent and works well for Howe but I don’t see beyond that. He’s decent? He’s got lethal pace, he’s desperate to succeed, he’s got excellent ability at cutting inside and leaving a man for dead with his close control. He’s got excellent movement and spots a run. He’s also great at our press and putting in the defensive effort. He’s added more goals to his game. The next step is to provide more consistent chances for his teammates. He’s fairly faultless, sure he could have better tricks and technique and beat his man down the line but his overall game is outstanding Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 Awesome player, has come on so well and proved a lot of doubters wrong. Hes only going to get better and when we sign a new RW next year he’s going be even more deadly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiquidAK Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 He's another who is clearly fantastic for the way we play and will be even better if he's not having to play every minute of every game. Barnes & Murphy back and we'll see even more from him than we're getting already (which is a lot). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagten Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 3 minutes ago, gbandit said: He’s decent? He’s got lethal pace, he’s desperate to succeed, he’s got excellent ability at cutting inside and leaving a man for dead with his close control. He’s got excellent movement and spots a run. He’s also great at our press and putting in the defensive effort. He’s added more goals to his game. The next step is to provide more consistent chances for his teammates. He’s fairly faultless, sure he could have better tricks and technique and beat his man down the line but his overall game is outstanding I agree his out-of-possession game is his best attribute, along with his attitude. He cuts inside because he isn’t a great progressive carrier and he isn’t good at take-ons. I’m not saying he’s bad, and he’s probably better than I thought he could be, but I don't see elite talent, is all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 At this point in time I think it's only fair that I hold my hands up and admit I got it completely wrong about Gordon. 12 months ago when he signed I was a bit bewildered and pissed off as I'd seen nothing to warrant spending so much cash on him, he looked like a petulant, edgy and immature little cunt tbh in an Everton shirt and thought the money could and should have been spent far more wisely at the time. Fast forward to now and it's clear why Howe et al went for him. He's bright and full of energy, has fantastic pace and an eye for goal or a killer pass. He's become invaluable to us now. I never saw it at all at Everton but I'm seeing it each week now. He's fucking brilliant Always good to hold your hands up when you've got it wrong Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astroblack Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Jagten said: I agree his out-of-possession game is his best attribute, along with his attitude. He cuts inside because he isn’t a great progressive carrier and he isn’t good at take-ons. I’m not saying he’s bad, and he’s probably better than I thought he could be, but I don't see elite talent, is all. Progressive ball carrier? What about in the Milan game first half where he carried the ball about forty yards with three players on his back giving us time to regain our shape? Edited December 16, 2023 by Astroblack Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagten Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 4 minutes ago, Astroblack said: Progressive ball carrier? What about in the Milan game first half where he carried the ball about forty yards with three players on his back giving us time to maintain our shape? I said he isn’t great at it (my point being about developing elite skills) and one sample of an open-space carry does’t offer a low variance counter. His take-on stats are low (he doesn’t do it often and isn’t very successful), and he doesn’t generate a huge amount of downstream expected goals from this. Not that this is essential (Salah is also not fantastic at this). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astroblack Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 Just now, Jagten said: I said he isn’t great at it (my point being about developing elite skills) and one sample of an open-space carry does’t offer a low variance counter. His take-on stats are low (he doesn’t do it often and isn’t very successful), and he doesn’t generate a huge amount of downstream expected goals from this. Not that this is essential (Salah is also not fantastic at this). He’s 22 and has been in the league for like three season? What are you expecting? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagten Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 3 minutes ago, Astroblack said: He’s 22 and has been in the league for like three season? What are you expecting? Of course he can and will improve. This is just my opinion of his ceiling, which I hope is proven wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Checko Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 8 minutes ago, Jagten said: I said he isn’t great at it (my point being about developing elite skills) and one sample of an open-space carry does’t offer a low variance counter. His take-on stats are low (he doesn’t do it often and isn’t very successful), and he doesn’t generate a huge amount of downstream expected goals from this. Not that this is essential (Salah is also not fantastic at this). His torso deception is top notch though tbf, buys him a lot of space. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackflap Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 He's shown great progression this season to the extent that he's one of our most consistent and important players. Still very much a work in progress. I like how he receives the ball on the half turn inside and his first touch is usually very good and allows him to use his pace to get away from the opposition. When you watch him often he is a bit predictable when he receives the ball but his pace and tenacity means he's still very effective. I think he still has room for improvement with his final ball and finishing when coming inside. The chances against Everton are an example of that. He also needs to develop a trick to exploit defenders that overplay him cutting inside. Look at the mileage Son has gotten off a simple stepover for example. For me he exemplifies the way Howe has improved the team and the players individually, he focuses on players innate strengths and how to maximize them first and foremost. Half the team last season were historically bad the year before yet lost only a handful of games all season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 Kind of agree with Jagten to a large extent. His off the ball movement and pressing is very good and his finishing seems to have come on a lot but he needs to improve with the ball and especially his 1v1 ability. He does still struggle to beat a man in the final third. Bottom 10% in the league this season for successful take-on % is pretty poor and an area he needs to improve on massively. It's fine to admit this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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