simonsays Posted Monday at 21:48 Share Posted Monday at 21:48 A source can be verified without what he/she says being true. People get that, right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted Monday at 21:58 Share Posted Monday at 21:58 It was reported by Mandeep Sanghera, who is their Liverpool correspondent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted Monday at 22:33 Share Posted Monday at 22:33 8 hours ago, Shadow Puppets said: I can chime in on this one (don’t have any info on Anderson or Minteh, but do on this). We didn’t offer him to Liverpool. Liverpool did enquire a couple of weeks ago, and again at some point last week, but we said no. No intentions of selling him at all. AG is absolutely fine and perfectly happy here. No issues. No “heads turned”. Just clickbait guesswork journalism. Some of his family have just moved up here too. shadow puppets vs paully. who wins the itk. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancrate1892 Posted Monday at 22:47 Share Posted Monday at 22:47 1 hour ago, et tu brute said: The fuckers covered Jimmy Saville's back for years They should have probably covered his dick instead? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted Monday at 23:39 Share Posted Monday at 23:39 2 hours ago, Vinny Green Balls said: Once again they go with a story from a Brazilian novel from 2003 when it comes to the event that started the Great War. Either the BBC was formed a decade before it actually was and reported this as news, or you’re referring to a story on the website which wasn’t a news story - and therefore not relevant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted Monday at 23:41 Share Posted Monday at 23:41 I haven’t a clue on the truth of the Gordon story tbh. I’m open to either story being true. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted Monday at 23:50 Share Posted Monday at 23:50 (edited) 11 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: Either the BBC was formed a decade before it actually was and reported this as news, or you’re referring to a story on the website which wasn’t a news story - and therefore not relevant. I cited a 2003 bbc novel in my first post (a few posts before what you quoted), which I assume that you didn’t read. For some strange reason, both the BBC and American news sites cited the sandwich story since that novel came out, which is the first time a sandwich was ever mentioned. Smithsonian did an interesting investigation into it. I found it when I was listening to a BBC News audio walkthrough of Sarajevo when I was there for a festival in 2018. Edited Monday at 23:51 by Vinny Green Balls Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted Tuesday at 00:20 Share Posted Tuesday at 00:20 25 minutes ago, Vinny Green Balls said: I cited a 2003 bbc novel in my first post (a few posts before what you quoted), which I assume that you didn’t read. For some strange reason, both the BBC and American news sites cited the sandwich story since that novel came out, which is the first time a sandwich was ever mentioned. Smithsonian did an interesting investigation into it. I found it when I was listening to a BBC News audio walkthrough of Sarajevo when I was there for a festival in 2018. Got you It’s a daft story, and does how those sort of narratives can become ‘history’ (tbf, my understanding from reading various Great War histories was always that Princip’s opportunity was the result of the car turning down the wrong street and it’s also where Princip happened to be following the earlier attempted assassination attempt. No mention of sandwiches from memory - though whether he was eating one or not hardly seems like the biggest historical slip-up). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McDog Posted Tuesday at 00:25 Share Posted Tuesday at 00:25 Just now, TheBrownBottle said: Got you It’s a daft story, and does how those sort of narratives can become ‘history’ (tbf, my understanding from reading various Great War histories was always that Princip’s opportunity was the result of the car turning down the wrong street and it’s also where Princip happened to be following the earlier attempted assassination attempt. No mention of sandwiches from memory - though whether he was eating one or not hardly seems like the biggest historical slip-up). Depends entirely on what sort of sandwich is alleged to have been eaten. These things matter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted Tuesday at 00:25 Share Posted Tuesday at 00:25 2 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: Got you It’s a daft story, and does how those sort of narratives can become ‘history’ (tbf, my understanding from reading various Great War histories was always that Princip’s opportunity was the result of the car turning down the wrong street and it’s also where Princip happened to be following the earlier attempted assassination attempt. No mention of sandwiches from memory - though whether he was eating one or not hardly seems like the biggest historical slip-up). That’s likely how it happened. The archduke had the route changed but the driver got confused and took the old route back. It was after a failed attempt earlier. The car as not supposed to turn on the original route. Princips was stationed there in case the first attempt didn’t go through. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted Tuesday at 00:27 Share Posted Tuesday at 00:27 1 minute ago, McDog said: Depends entirely on what sort of sandwich is alleged to have been eaten. These things matter. I was once given a cheese and onion sandwich in Greggs when asking for a cheese one. I could’ve happily went on a shooting spree after biting into it. Fucking hate onions, me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted Tuesday at 00:28 Share Posted Tuesday at 00:28 (edited) It’s not a big historical slip up at all, but it illustrates how even the BBC has helped spread bullshit stories (less than others mind you). And no one bothered to ask why a Serb would be eating a sandwich in Sarajevo in 1914. Sandwiches weren’t a thing there back then. Strangely it’s almost exclusively British and American news that still reports this on retrospectives, despite the source likely being that novel. Edited Tuesday at 00:30 by Vinny Green Balls Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McDog Posted Tuesday at 00:30 Share Posted Tuesday at 00:30 Just now, TheBrownBottle said: I was once given a cheese and onion sandwich in Greggs when asking for a cheese one. I could’ve happily went on a shooting spree after biting into it. Fucking hate onions, me Whilst I totally believe you about the mix up. I assume if you ordered a cheese sandwich at Greggs you were in the United Kingdom. Therefore your story is suspect in that you would never be packing heat and completely ready to fire. Now if you had been in the USA, well then.......... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted Tuesday at 00:31 Share Posted Tuesday at 00:31 Just now, Vinny Green Balls said: It’s not a big historical slip up at all, but it illustrates how even the BBC has helped spread bullshit stories (less than others mind you). Strangely it’s almost exclusively British and American news that still reports this on retrospectives, despite the source likely being that novel. True, which can absolutely happen with unvetted stories - and no news outlet is perfect; but the BBC does have exacting editorial standards re its news output (and I agree re coverage of Israel/Palestine particularly the terms used in relation to either side - though I wouldn’t expect the Beeb to put out the stuff I’ve seen shared on social media etc). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted Tuesday at 00:31 Share Posted Tuesday at 00:31 I’ve come across a lot of serious puzzling bullshit in my line of work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McDog Posted Tuesday at 00:32 Share Posted Tuesday at 00:32 I like how Vinny is making a perfectly valid argument on a serious subject while I waste everyone's time taking the piss. I shall withdraw, carry on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted Tuesday at 00:33 Share Posted Tuesday at 00:33 1 minute ago, McDog said: Whilst I totally believe you about the mix up. I assume if you ordered a cheese sandwich at Greggs you were in the United Kingdom. Therefore your story is suspect in that you would never be packing heat and completely ready to fire. Now if you had been in the USA, well then.......... Greggs’ and its sandwich-based mix-ups are precisely why the UK has no first amendment. See also: queue-jumping; cyclists during rush hour; grocer’s apostrophes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted Tuesday at 00:34 Share Posted Tuesday at 00:34 (edited) 2 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: True, which can absolutely happen with unvetted stories - and no news outlet is perfect; but the BBC does have exacting editorial standards re its news output (and I agree re coverage of Israel/Palestine particularly the terms used in relation to either side - though I wouldn’t expect the Beeb to put out the stuff I’ve seen shared on social media etc). I witnessed their editorial standards in Benghazi. Although they weren’t bad at all,there was often speculation based on rumor that they justified with “purportedly” they quickly jumped to the conclusion that the Abu Salim massacre site was found outside Tripoli, when it was very tenuous to begin with. Their vetting was compromised by either the fact that everyone was erroneously reporting I, or the attempt to break the story before anyone else. The editors and their headlines are usually much more egregious with this than those who actually reported it though tbf Edited Tuesday at 00:37 by Vinny Green Balls Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted Tuesday at 00:36 Share Posted Tuesday at 00:36 1 minute ago, Vinny Green Balls said: I witnessed their editorial standards in Benghazi. Although they weren’t bad at all,there was often speculation based on rumor that they justified with “purportedly” Yep, reporting speculatively and stating that it’s speculative doesn’t really get the journalist off the hook - it plants the idea in the mind of the audience / reader Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted Tuesday at 00:41 Share Posted Tuesday at 00:41 (edited) 5 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: Yep, reporting speculatively and stating that it’s speculative doesn’t really get the journalist off the hook - it plants the idea in the mind of the audience / reader But at least there was some level of vetting. Citizen journalists throwing shit against the wall while never setting foot there were much much worse. People still call what happened in Libya a coup orchestrated by the U.S. while accusing those of us who were there of being CIA operatives because we didn’t witness anything remotely like that. but back to Gordon Edited Tuesday at 00:42 by Vinny Green Balls Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted Tuesday at 08:00 Share Posted Tuesday at 08:00 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted Tuesday at 08:07 Share Posted Tuesday at 08:07 5 minutes ago, gdm said: I choose to believe that over the BBC and their toxic sandwich like invented stories. It's like Sarajevo all over again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted Tuesday at 09:43 Share Posted Tuesday at 09:43 I think the BBC were just reporting and retweeting other people for the most part, almost everyone was. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted Tuesday at 16:31 Share Posted Tuesday at 16:31 His agent has played a blinder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiquidAK Posted Tuesday at 16:33 Share Posted Tuesday at 16:33 Completely deserved tbf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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