maze Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 (edited) 17 hours ago, SUPERTOON said: We don’t really have options today, everyone has been crying out for ASM to start (me included) and he was out worst player. ASM hasn't been the same player (as we remember under Bruce) for a very long time. The way we are playing now does not suit or support the type of player he is. Unless he can be the focal point he doesn't thrive. Edited February 5, 2023 by maze Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 3 hours ago, Hanshithispantz said: We’ve underplayed our card in multiple windows now like. We’re well ahead of schedule because tactically Howe has squeezed what he can from a limited squad but it’s hardly embarrassing to point out that we should have stronger options in midfield especially. Hopefully by the summer our scouting system is in a far better place to identify targets, because everyone we’re going for at the minute seems to still be Howe/Nickson. You're changing the narrative though. I was responding to people that have been stating matter of factly that getting in a midfielder would have guaranteed top 4, which is nonsense. Besides it has been stated enough times by the lot in charge that they are not going to sign players they haven't collected a lot of information on and that they really like, whether we like it or not. The midfield options they prefer were not available in January and so be it. A big part of them doing so well is that they are working with players they know well and have full confidence in, and so it's really difficult to knock their approach. But here we are anyway, with people being impatient and not paying any mind or attention to what they have been saying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 57 minutes ago, KaKa said: You're changing the narrative though. I was responding to people that have been stating matter of factly that getting in a midfielder would have guaranteed top 4, which is nonsense. Besides it has been stated enough times by the lot in charge that they are not going to sign players they haven't collected a lot of information on and that they really like, whether we like it or not. The midfield options they prefer were not available in January and so be it. A big part of them doing so well is that they are working with players they know well and have full confidence in, and so it's really difficult to knock their approach. But here we are anyway, with people being impatient and not paying any mind or attention to what they have been saying. The club have told reporters they didn't buy a midfielder because none of their preferred targets were available. You then have two options, you bring in someone that you're not fully sold on or you pay an obscene amount of money to ensure your preferred target is available. It's a slow build so they opted to do neither. That player might increase our chances of CL football, but there's so long to go other factors will play a part too, there's no guarantee and there's no rush. It won't be long before we're competing on consistent basis, it'll just take a bit more time and investment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 1 hour ago, KaKa said: You're changing the narrative though. I was responding to people that have been stating matter of factly that getting in a midfielder would have guaranteed top 4, which is nonsense. Besides it has been stated enough times by the lot in charge that they are not going to sign players they haven't collected a lot of information on and that they really like, whether we like it or not. The midfield options they prefer were not available in January and so be it. A big part of them doing so well is that they are working with players they know well and have full confidence in, and so it's really difficult to knock their approach. But here we are anyway, with people being impatient and not paying any mind or attention to what they have been saying. I mean it’s not guarantee but getting another midfielder massively increases our odds like. We’re basically hoping Isak/Bruno stay fit and Howe continues to turn water into wine. Quote You then have two options, you bring in someone that you're not fully sold on or you pay an obscene amount of money to ensure your preferred target is available. It’s been two windows now though and all we’ve done to our midfield is sell Shelvey for a ‘nominal fee’. It’s a pretty clear failure on our part imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRaspberryJam Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 Is Kaka acting himself again? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 1 minute ago, Hanshithispantz said: I mean it’s not guarantee but getting another midfielder massively increases our odds like. We’re basically hoping Isak/Bruno stay fit and Howe continues to turn water into wine. It’s been two windows now though and all we’ve done to our midfield is sell Shelvey for a ‘nominal fee’. It’s a pretty clear failure on our part imo. We brought in Bruno in the first. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcnick Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 5 hours ago, jack j said: Even if we do drop off which everyone seems to be predicting. Then it's more important than ever to support Howe, the players and the whole club!! I'll not hold my breath though. Must be up there with the worst fans in the country. Not just in the ground but social media as well. Pissing me off more by the week Absolutely this, it’s like the idiots have forgotten the last 14 years Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcnick Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 1 hour ago, maze said: ASM hasn't been the same player (as we remember under Bruce) for a very long time. The way we are playing now does not suit or support the type of player he is. Unless he can be the focal point he doesn't thrive. Absolutely this, if we insist on playing ASM we might be better off using him as a replacement striker Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 (edited) I haven't reflected much on yesterday's match but what I will say is this: That game was coming, and we were lucky we got an early goal because we didn't look like scoring for the rest of the game IMO. On the other hand, we didn't give West Ham a sniff in the second half. Worth remembering that West Ham have a top 8 squad. Loads of quality, so despite their league position, it was never going to be easy. ASM was awful, I mean truly awful. I've seem some defending him but why? Why can't we call a spade a spade without having an alternative motive. He was shite and will be lucky to be in the team next week. My main view is that this team has been in need of an injection of energy for a while. Miggy, Bruno and Wilson have looked jaded. So long as the defence is unchanged, I wouldn't be opposed to starting Isak, ASM, Gordon or even Murphy, just to give us a spark. Something offensively needs to be tweeked. Give Miggy a rest and see if we can reboot him. We've lacked cutting edge for a while. We are in a great place. Something needs adjusted, that's all. Edited February 5, 2023 by STM Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 6 hours ago, jack j said: Even if we do drop off which everyone seems to be predicting. Then it's more important than ever to support Howe, the players and the whole club!! I'll not hold my breath though. Must be up there with the worst fans in the country. Not just in the ground but social media as well. Pissing me off more by the week This club has been nothing but negativity for circa 14 years. Now we have hope and genuine positivity, but rather than focus on that some love to revel in the few negatives there are, nothing is ever good enough. Sign players and spend a fortune, not enough players. Find in ourselves in a position beyond all reasonable expectation, it's a missed opportunity if we don't stay there. It's exhausting. I'll also qualify thay by saying there's a difference between that and pointing out legitimate concerns, it doesn't apply to everyone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeepShow4life Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 We definitely need to rest some of our players before the Cup final. Would like to see Gordon, Targett and Ashby get a start soon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcnick Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 1 minute ago, STM said: I haven't reflected much on yesterday's match but what I will say is this: That game was coming, and we were lucky we got an early goal because we didn't look like scoring for the rest of the game IMO. On the other hand, we didn't give West Ham a sniff in the second half. Worth remembering that West Ham have a top 8 squad. Loads of quality, so despite their league position, it was never going to be easy. ASM was awful, I mean truly awful. I've seem some defending him but why? Why can't we call a spade a spade without having an alternative motive. He was shite and will be lucky to be in the team next week. My main view is that this team has been in need of an injection of energy for a while. Miggy, Bruno and Wilson have looked jaded. So long as the defence is unchanged, I wouldn't be opposed to starting Isak, ASM, Gordon or even Murphy, just to give us a spark. Something offensively needs to be tweeted. Give Miggy a rest and see if we can reboot him. We've lacked cutting edge for a while. We are in a great place. Something needs adjusted, that's all. The problem with miggy is he’s so scared to even try using his right foot and that’s why he will be replaced(top players will use both), he got into some positions yesterday and just wouldn’t swing his right foot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 It might be controversial but I honestly think bringing Murphy in for a game on the right wouldn't hurt. He will put right foot crosses in and we know he does the press well. I'm saying all this, I'm fairly certain that Howe will start the same side next week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 10 minutes ago, The Prophet said: We brought in Bruno in the first. Bruno was three windows ago. We’ve went two windows since with Howe saying we want to bring in another midfielder and have only managed to sell one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 3 minutes ago, Hanshithispantz said: Bruno was three windows ago. We’ve went two windows since with Howe saying we want to bring in another midfielder and have only managed to sell one. Yeah, derp on my part. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 11 minutes ago, PeepShow4life said: We definitely need to rest some of our players before the Cup final. Would like to see Gordon, Targett and Ashby get a start soon. Don't be daft Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
relámpago blanco Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 14 minutes ago, joeyt said: Don't be daft He's a lot better and ready than you think Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 1 minute ago, relámpago blanco said: He's a lot better and ready than you think So we're dropping Trippier for Bournmeouth or Liverpool? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
relámpago blanco Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 Just now, joeyt said: So we're dropping Trippier for Bournmeouth or Liverpool? Nope, but I wouldn't be overly concerned if he did start. I'd rather Trippier but Ashby is ready. The west ham fans couldn't understand why he wasn't starting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 Ashby has made one PL appearance. As a sub in Dec 2021. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
relámpago blanco Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 Just now, Smal said: Ashby has made one PL appearance. As a sub in Dec 2021. Yep, but he's ready they reckon. They hate Moyes for losing so many youngsters as he just won't start any of them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 One thing that bugged me yesterday and seems to be happening alot in games where the other team are running down the clock and trying to get a point at our ground. There was only 3 mins added on? Considering there must have been atleast 7 subs or something in total, plus injury stoppages etc I just find that odd. Yet when we play in any games where we are "shit housing" as people accuse. It's like 8 or 9 mins that end up getting added on. Small details that may not change results but I noticed it today and against palace. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 17 minutes ago, relámpago blanco said: Nope, but I wouldn't be overly concerned if he did start. I'd rather Trippier but Ashby is ready. The west ham fans couldn't understand why he wasn't starting. He didn't even make the bench this weekend I'm not sure how ready you think he is We've got two huge games against Liverpool and Bournemouth we're in no position to rest trippier Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 Aye, resting Trippier will solve our problems. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 2 hours ago, Hanshithispantz said: I mean it’s not guarantee but getting another midfielder massively increases our odds like. We’re basically hoping Isak/Bruno stay fit and Howe continues to turn water into wine. It’s been two windows now though and all we’ve done to our midfield is sell Shelvey for a ‘nominal fee’. It’s a pretty clear failure on our part imo. It's a failure if you've completely ignored what they've stated all along about this being a gradual build, with a strict plan in place. Many of you convinced yourselves it was a ruse to keep transfer fees down, and now are getting worked up about it, well that's on you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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