Guest Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 (edited) 53 minutes ago, SteV said: Dicey road to go down IMO. Where do you draw the line? Whatever the rights and wrongs of this, it’s still a sporting sanction. The punishment is football-related. If a team ends up getting relegated off the back of a terrible VAR decision, for example, do we want their MP raising it? This isn't about on field decisons, it's about the Governance of the national game's top league. Something which our MP has openly questioned with blocking/stalling takeovers. Edited November 21, 2023 by OCK Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 4 minutes ago, OCK said: This isn't about on field decisons, it's about the Governance of the national game's top league. Something which our MP has openly questioned with blocking/stalking takeovers. Yeah, fair enough, it’s not on field. I still don’t think it’s the same level as club ownership though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 1 hour ago, GeordieDazzler said: Thanks for posting this very good listen. Basically Everton we’re asking for additional allowances which were frankly optimistic at best, no wonder they lost. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 59 minutes ago, Zero said: Happy for the penalty. Also support the 300m claim by those 3 clubs. Reason? Lewis Gibson He's shite and he'd have likely been worse given our track record with kids at the time. We fleeced them in hindsight Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Choppy Chop Chop Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 48 minutes ago, Lotus said: We’re all football fans tbh. They’ll be plenty of good Evertonians. There is plenty of utter knobheads who support NUFC. We’re all much of a muchness when it comes down to it. Never judge an entire fan base from afar. Goodison Park is the only place I've been spat on, the culprits were elderly gentlemen (plural) Twats Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Lotus said: We’re all football fans tbh. They’ll be plenty of good Evertonians. There is plenty of utter knobheads who support NUFC. We’re all much of a muchness when it comes down to it. Never judge an entire fan base from afar. Probably the nicest thing I've read about the scouse makems Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Lotus said: We’re all football fans tbh. They’ll be plenty of good Evertonians. There is plenty of utter knobheads who support NUFC. We’re all much of a muchness when it comes down to it. Never judge an entire fan base from afar. I'll judge them from my many encounters with fans from Liverpool, both Red and Blue. Edited November 21, 2023 by madras Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjohnson Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 2 hours ago, OCK said: In fairness, our local MP has brought up Newcastle's plight many times over the years. And that was so effective at getting anything actually done Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 5 hours ago, OCK said: In fairness, our local MP has brought up Newcastle's plight many times over the years. 5 hours ago, SteV said: Indeed, but the ownership of a club is a far more appropriate topic for parliamentary discussion, compared to a sporting sanction (however fair or unfair that may be). I agree. It is ridiculous to suggest that this sanction is so outrageous and undeserved that it should be raised in parliament. Obviously votes are at stake here. This is democracy at its worst. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideopenMag Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 5 hours ago, Lotus said: We’re all football fans tbh. They’ll be plenty of good Evertonians. There is plenty of utter knobheads who support NUFC. We’re all much of a muchness when it comes down to it. Never judge an entire fan base from afar. Nah they're awful like. Guessing you've never been to Everton away? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyn davies Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 They should of been relegated at the end of this season after cooking the books at 250m ? To achieve the amount they got it down to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 1 hour ago, WideopenMag said: Nah they're awful like. Guessing you've never been to Everton away? It's true, I haven't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colos Short and Curlies Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 Talksport suggesting there is a possibility of another 10 point penalty for them on the horizon? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixelphish Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 5 minutes ago, Colos Short and Curlies said: Talksport suggesting there is a possibility of another 10 point penalty for them on the horizon? Only if they're forced into administration from being sued I think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 Might be because Everton are one of my most disliked teams but I've got immense blood lust about this and enjoying it so much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 4 hours ago, Cronky said: I agree. It is ridiculous to suggest that this sanction is so outrageous and undeserved that it should be raised in parliament. Obviously votes are at stake here. This is democracy at its worst. Quite the opposite, in reality. MPs "represent" their constituencies, or are supposed to. They attend Parliament to speak on their behalf, or are supposed to. Them shitting the bed and voicing an opinion in line with many of their voters is exactly what democracy is meant to be about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 14 hours ago, Cronky said: I agree. It is ridiculous to suggest that this sanction is so outrageous and undeserved that it should be raised in parliament. Obviously votes are at stake here. This is democracy at its worst. 10 hours ago, Groundhog63 said: Quite the opposite, in reality. MPs "represent" their constituencies, or are supposed to. They attend Parliament to speak on their behalf, or are supposed to. Them shitting the bed and voicing an opinion in line with many of their voters is exactly what democracy is meant to be about. I'd say you're talking about a delegate there, not a representative. Ultimately, we elect leaders, and leading in any context often means making a decision that's unpopular. You have to have people that can stand up for what they feel is right in their own honest judgement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
magvicar Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 I think Everton have been made a massive scapegoat but I have a feeling the can of worms has been well and truly blasted open and it shouldn't bode well for the bigger hitters like Man city. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 From the Athletic: "The commission heard how, on August 10 this year, five months after Everton’s case had been referred, league officials put forward what was described in the report as a “sanction policy”... According to evidence supplied by its chief executive Richard Masters, the league proposed “a fixed starting point of a deduction of six points, with an increase from that starting point of one point for every £5million... Crucially, they still reached the same conclusion as the league: a 10-point penalty for an overspend of £19.5million, with their adjudication summarised in the final two pages of the report. None of this is likely to have been lost on Everton’s lawyers... The Athletic has since been told the aforementioned sanction framework was only meant to be used for Everton’s case. It is understood no such league-wide sanction policy is in the pipeline at the moment and that such a change would need to be communicated to clubs formally and via the handbook. Everton were unaware of the league’s recommendation both at the time of their referral and approaching the pre-trial review in early October." Yeah, this is getting reheard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 Can't stand them. I just want to see them suffer and suffer badly. Tbf if the shoe was on the other foot their feelings would be exactly the same towards us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 Just now, Wallsendmag said: Can't stand them. I just want to see them suffer and suffer badly. Tbf if the shoe was on the other foot their feelings would be exactly the same towards us. We don’t even have a sock and already they are saying the tread left by our foot is bigger and worse than theirs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixelphish Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 1 minute ago, Wallsendmag said: Can't stand them. I just want to see them suffer and suffer badly. Tbf if the shoe was on the other foot their feelings would be exactly the same towards us. Given our ownship now I think every fanbase going would feel the same towards NUFC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 Can't say Everton particularly bother me, granted their seems to be a mutual dislike amongst our fans. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 26 minutes ago, Pixelphish said: Given our ownship now I think every fanbase going would feel the same towards NUFC. Good. I prefer it that way. Clubs that are liked by rival fans tend to be because they are an insignificance and seen as no threat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miggys First Goal Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 Apparently the same disciplinary panel that docked them 10 points will hear the compensation claim from Leicester, Leeds and Burnley. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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