PauloGeordio Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 12 minutes ago, Nobody said: Very well put that. Said it loads recently, being a football fan is quickly being replaced by being an accountant And VAR review committee Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Jinx Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 Chelsea is still a massive gamble, if they don’t make top 4 regularly there’s only so long that charade can be kept up for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack27 Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 And will anything change? Nope Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 27 minutes ago, Armchair Pundit said: I imagine if those top 5-6 teams don't get their way they'll just up sticks and jump in with trying to set up a new European Super League again. Still, fuck them, fuck them all, we've been cheated and held back by the bastards for long enough, roll on when the Prem's stupid rules fall and their corruption is exposed. Fans don't want the ESL. Can you imagine every away game being in another country? It would only take a year or so and you've got basically 0 away fans. There's no history or tradition with these matches either. I can feel something towards any English club, be it Man U, Liverpool, Wolves, Southampton, whoever. There's history there, there's geographical identity too in that we can relate to each other and know people who are from these areas or support these clubs. But Bayern Munich or Atletico Madrid or whoever? Sure, interesting and exciting the first time, but there's no workplace banter with Dortmund fans, we've no history with Atetico Madrid. It'll get stale VERY fast, even for the home games. And once the fans stop giving a shit, TV audiences dry up and the sponsorship disappears too. ESL would fail inside 5 years, even if it did happen. Then what do the participants do? Come crawling back? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydianMag Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 28 minutes ago, Chris_R said: Fans don't want the ESL. Can you imagine every away game being in another country? It would only take a year or so and you've got basically 0 away fans. There's no history or tradition with these matches either. I can feel something towards any English club, be it Man U, Liverpool, Wolves, Southampton, whoever. There's history there, there's geographical identity too in that we can relate to each other and know people who are from these areas or support these clubs. But Bayern Munich or Atletico Madrid or whoever? Sure, interesting and exciting the first time, but there's no workplace banter with Dortmund fans, we've no history with Atetico Madrid. It'll get stale VERY fast, even for the home games. And once the fans stop giving a shit, TV audiences dry up and the sponsorship disappears too. ESL would fail inside 5 years, even if it did happen. Then what do the participants do? Come crawling back? If they fuck off I’d love a gulf state to sponsor the PL for silly money, they’d beg to be back in Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 57 minutes ago, Dr Jinx said: Chelsea is still a massive gamble, if they don’t make top 4 regularly there’s only so long that charade can be kept up for. Just sell more stuff to themselves - they will find a way Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 1 hour ago, Armchair Pundit said: I imagine if those top 5-6 teams don't get their way they'll just up sticks and jump in with trying to set up a new European Super League again. Still, fuck them, fuck them all, we've been cheated and held back by the bastards for long enough, roll on when the Prem's stupid rules fall and their corruption is exposed. I wonder if the fans of Liverpool and Man Utd for instance would oppose the ESL with the same vitriol if rules were changed that upset their long term chances of domestic success. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 Chelsea selling plots of land off on the moon and no one bats an eye lid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abacus Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 If either ATP or PSR rules were meaningfully changed (and on balance I'd prefer it was the PSR ones as that seems fairer overall to rest the league to me), I wonder what the reaction would be from some of the owners of clubs who would see their current dominance threatened. A few more clubs going up for sale? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 If not the Super League then I could imagine a renewed effort from the highest earning clubs to get more of the broadcast revenue, which could be more of a percentage based on merit in the way it's done today or by trimming the PL to 18 clubs. And, whether the PL has 18 or 20 clubs, I could see the number of relegation places getting reduced to two (or even one). And there will be another push to expand the CL again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 Geed up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 How many clubs is that now? 4? City, Villa, Forest and Leicester? Something's got to give at some point and it'll need to be completely revamped or the PL will collapse imo. It'll tear itself apart - member clubs taking legal action against the collective of the remaining clubs simply isn't sustainable Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegans Export Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 Must be a proper kick in the balls, as it was for us. Make the right moves in the transfer market, hire the right manager, get into the Champions League aaaaaaaand now you have to sell some of your best players. If the rumours about Luiz are true, for well below their value. Even better, you could end up performing better in the Champions League than a fellow PL side and end up with a smaller share of the pot than them. It wasn't too obvious when it was just "The Big Six" and nobody really bothering to challenge them properly, but now you've had Leicester, ourselves and Villa all coming up against the same glass ceiling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonBez comesock Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 53 minutes ago, LFEE said: Am I missing something? Why would anyone challenge the premier league PSR rules when everyone wanting to play in Europe have to abide by the UEFA PSR rules …. Or they can’t play in European competitions? So scraping the premier league rules would be meaningless ? Unless UEFA PSR Rules were challenged Instead.? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danny Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 And to think we were the ones with the actual gripe against the rules Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miggys First Goal Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 Our owners just happy to let other clubs do the heavy lifting when it comes to going up against the PL? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydianMag Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 24 minutes ago, JonBez comesock said: Am I missing something? Why would anyone challenge the premier league PSR rules when everyone wanting to play in Europe have to abide by the UEFA PSR rules …. Or they can’t play in European competitions? So scraping the premier league rules would be meaningless ? Unless UEFA PSR Rules were challenged Instead.? UEFA’s rules can also be challenged in CJEU as being anti competitive 🤷🏼♂️ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
healthyaddiction Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 23 minutes ago, JonBez comesock said: Am I missing something? Why would anyone challenge the premier league PSR rules when everyone wanting to play in Europe have to abide by the UEFA PSR rules …. Or they can’t play in European competitions? So scraping the premier league rules would be meaningless ? Unless UEFA PSR Rules were challenged Instead.? The punishments for breaching UEFA PSR are generally seen as less strict. PSG just keep paying a fine. I believe the punishments are quite clear and well documented to, so you can plan around them. The Premier League it's just guess work. There is also the assumption that if PSR is found illegal in the UK, it would likely fall apart in Europe. A bit like that agent cap thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydianMag Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 11 minutes ago, danny said: And to think we were the ones with the actual gripe against the rules Darren Eales and the club are playing a blinder in garnering support through very clever strategy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 Villa have spent money but like Leicester its hardly accurate to call it 'financial doping' which is what this was initially purported to be about not the over-reach of outlawing ambition and disadvantaging everybody but the elite of the day it has become. Nobody would have been bent out of shape about either's spend before these rules and now its a punishable offence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 55 minutes ago, JonBez comesock said: Am I missing something? Why would anyone challenge the premier league PSR rules when everyone wanting to play in Europe have to abide by the UEFA PSR rules …. Or they can’t play in European competitions? So scraping the premier league rules would be meaningless ? Unless UEFA PSR Rules were challenged Instead.? Walk before you run, domino effect and all that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydianMag Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 Martin Samuels……not behind a paywall. https://www.thetimes.com/article/3a6ccd55-8e87-4bf9-b3c9-ac088b7870bb?shareToken=415fc791a8d1be513442df9495e35aa6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 (edited) Too many good points in that to even try to quote them all. And, funnily enough, his proposal at the end (a £400m cap) is exactly what I think the right solution and amount is. Edited June 11 by timeEd32 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 I bet the EPL are chuffed Everton and Forest didn't go down Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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