nufcnick Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 11 minutes ago, Ben said: How is Man City's fair market value ? perhaps £900 million over 10 years is not enough It isn’t Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 1 hour ago, Jackie Broon said: They don't, they outsource the assessments to Nielsen. And how are the qualified to assess a Saudi business? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Broon Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 2 minutes ago, et tu brute said: And how are the qualified to assess a Saudi business? I get where you're coming from, but the PL would say that they're an established company with a wealth of experience and knowledge in that field and that's likely to be accepted without much question by any court, as it was by the arbitration tribunal in relation to their assessment of sponsorship deals from UAE businesses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 29 minutes ago, Jackie Broon said: I get where you're coming from, but the PL would say that they're an established company with a wealth of experience and knowledge in that field and that's likely to be accepted without much question by any court, as it was by the arbitration tribunal in relation to their assessment of sponsorship deals from UAE businesses. Man City have seemingly increased there sponsorship deal as a direct result of the arbitration. There is no way a uk company can assess a company from Saudi or UAE. We will find out better when the new rules are agreed (if they actually are) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Broon Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 6 minutes ago, et tu brute said: Man City have seemingly increased there sponsorship deal as a direct result of the arbitration. There is no way a uk company can assess a company from Saudi or UAE. We will find out better when the new rules are agreed (if they actually are) 433. The evidence revealed that Nielsen has a very high profile in the field of football club sponsorship deals. Indeed, MCFC has itself instructed Nielsen to provide advice on valuation. It must also have been known to the clubs that Nielsen had a confidential proprietary database. The evidence revealed that it is called SponsorGlobe and that clubs may, by the payment of a fee, obtain access to SponsorGlobe, as MCFC apparently did. 437. We are persuaded that the system as a whole is fair. In particular the club will have received a copy of Nielsen’s report with the Board’s Provisional Determination and have had an opportunity to comment on it. Thus, in the particular circumstances of this case, it is not unfair that a club is deprived of access to, and therefore the ability to comment upon, the detail of the transactions assessed by Nielsen to be relevant and comparable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 On 22/10/2024 at 14:47, PauloGeordio said: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 (edited) 1 hour ago, et tu brute said: And how are the qualified to assess a Saudi business? Nielsen are a global business who asses media and ad spend all over the world Personally I think FMV for football sponsorship is fundamentally flawed, as sponsorship in sports can sometimes be based more on emotion and kudos than return on investment If I win the lottery and want to pay £100m to put "BobbyDazzla (Fastest Dancer in Newcastle)" on the front of NUFC shirts because it'll make me an absolute legend then it's clearly not FMV, but why should I be stopped from doing it But when it comes to assessing the value of sponsorship from purely a financial viewpoint, Nielsen are experts Edited October 24 by bobbydazzla Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 The league is in a mess Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 29 minutes ago, Jackie Broon said: 433. The evidence revealed that Nielsen has a very high profile in the field of football club sponsorship deals. Indeed, MCFC has itself instructed Nielsen to provide advice on valuation. It must also have been known to the clubs that Nielsen had a confidential proprietary database. The evidence revealed that it is called SponsorGlobe and that clubs may, by the payment of a fee, obtain access to SponsorGlobe, as MCFC apparently did. 437. We are persuaded that the system as a whole is fair. In particular the club will have received a copy of Nielsen’s report with the Board’s Provisional Determination and have had an opportunity to comment on it. Thus, in the particular circumstances of this case, it is not unfair that a club is deprived of access to, and therefore the ability to comment upon, the detail of the transactions assessed by Nielsen to be relevant and comparable. Man City didn't accept the sponsorship value though that's the whole point and Emirates top bloke came out stating exactly what I said earlier Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcnick Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 31 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said: Nielsen are a global business who asses media and ad spend all over the world Personally I think FMV for football sponsorship is fundamentally flawed, as sponsorship in sports can sometimes be based more on emotion and kudos than return on investment If I win the lottery and want to pay £100m to put "BobbyDazzla (Fastest Dancer in Newcastle)" on the front of NUFC shirts because it'll make me an absolute legend then it's clearly not FMV, but why should I be stopped from doing it But when it comes to assessing the value of sponsorship from purely a financial viewpoint, Nielsen are experts You wouldn’t be assessed for FMV, because you’re not an associated party of the NUFC ownership, only sponsorship deals that are from associated party’s are subject to FMV. If Petronas for instance were to come in tomorrow with a £100m per season sponsorship deal, it would sail through and not even be assessed for FMV Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloGeordio Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 1 minute ago, nufcnick said: You wouldn’t be assessed for FMV, because you’re not an associated party of the NUFC ownership, only sponsorship deals that are from associated party’s are subject to FMV. If Petronas for instance were to come in tomorrow with a £100m per season sponsorship deal, it would sail through and not even be assessed for FMV So why aren’t the Saudis having a word with their none associated friends (or is that too obvious) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcnick Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 (edited) 1 minute ago, PauloGeordio said: So why aren’t the Saudis having a word with their none associated friends (or is that too obvious) That would be my suggestion, maybe £100m per season from Ethiad for NUFC and £100m per season from Saudi Air to Manchester City Edited October 24 by nufcnick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloGeordio Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 4 minutes ago, nufcnick said: That would be my suggestion, maybe £100m per season from Ethiad for NUFC and £100m per season from Saudi Air to Manchester City Yeah fuck them. If it doesn’t break the rules then what are they waiting for. Chewsee are taking the piss, why aren’t we Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 (edited) 12 minutes ago, nufcnick said: You wouldn’t be assessed for FMV, because you’re not an associated party of the NUFC ownership, only sponsorship deals that are from associated party’s are subject to FMV. If Petronas for instance were to come in tomorrow with a £100m per season sponsorship deal, it would sail through and not even be assessed for FMV I know that, I was just using it as an example of emotion and kudos overruling balance sheet when it comes to sponsorship decisions It wasn’t a full analysis of how the FMV process works But just for the record, if I do win the lottery I am sponsoring the shirt with “BobbyDazzla (Fastest Dancer in Newcastle)” for £100m. You can quote me on that Edited October 24 by bobbydazzla Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abacus Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 5 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said: But just for the record, if I do win the lottery I am sponsoring the shirt with “BobbyDazzla (Fastest Dancer in Newcastle)” for £100m. You can quote me on that Send that offer to Neilsen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 11 minutes ago, Abacus said: Send that offer to Neilsen I've sort of fused Flashdance with MC Hammer shit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted October 25 Share Posted October 25 14 hours ago, bobbydazzla said: I've sort of fused Flashdance with MC Hammer shit Not sure if id pay to see you in a leotard sat on a chair having buckets of water thrown on you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted October 25 Share Posted October 25 16 hours ago, duo said: The league is in a mess Not just the PL - European football too. Was discussing with my dad, yesterday - told him that Real Madrid battered Bayern 4-1 on Weds night, and neither of us really batted an eyelid. Such a game should be a knockout one with real jeopardy - not this meaningless league shite. People are and will switch off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted October 25 Share Posted October 25 The vampires of football have almost sucked every last drop of blood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted October 25 Share Posted October 25 2 minutes ago, Heron said: The vampires of football have almost sucked every last drop of blood. Who are the vampires? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE27 Posted October 25 Share Posted October 25 (edited) 3 minutes ago, r0cafella said: Who are the vampires? No expert but that emery is a dead ringer for Dracula mind. Edited October 25 by NE27 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloGeordio Posted October 25 Share Posted October 25 54 minutes ago, NE27 said: No expert but that emery is a dead ringer for Dracula mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted October 25 Share Posted October 25 2 hours ago, NG32 said: Not sure if id pay to see you in a leotard sat on a chair having buckets of water thrown on you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted October 25 Share Posted October 25 1 hour ago, NE27 said: No expert but that emery is a dead ringer for Dracula mind. Andy Garcia. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted October 25 Share Posted October 25 1 hour ago, Big Geordie said: Not just the PL - European football too. Was discussing with my dad, yesterday - told him that Real Madrid battered Bayern 4-1 on Weds night, and neither of us really batted an eyelid. Such a game should be a knockout one with real jeopardy - not this meaningless league shite. People are and will switch off. Shows how much attention people are paying to this new 36 team league shite. It was Barca that beat them 4-1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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