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1 hour ago, alexf said:

Does anyone feel like it's inevitable that we need to sell one of they core players for a minimum £70m+ in order to try and start building again? 

 

I don't see any other solutions at the moment. The  squad was already getting stale and it was only the return of Tonali that has helped boost it this season but there's very little beneath the first 11. 

 

It doesn't seem like we are able to sell the deadwood for sufficient funds to be able to kick on, in the same way other clubs are able to do. 

 

Seems like we're pinning everything on getting top 5 this year but it's gonna be a tall ask with so many teams competing for it. 

No the ownership shot their load early and brought in top drawer players en masse, they decided to turbo charge the club after takeover instead of building slowly.

 

We’ll undoubtedly see a more measured approach going forward, but I believe they’ll only sell if they think a player such as Bruno has peaked, otherwise they’ll hope to add to the core, once this 3 year PSR cycle which included the initial big spend drops off.

 

The only problem we might encounter is giving Isak a wage befitting of a 150 million player and staying within the new 70% limit if that gets approved. 
 

The last 3 windows and certain players like Almiron and Wilson dropping off the wage bill will give us room to invest this summer.

 

 

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Generalising and conflating two points there I think (Waugh). Some sales are needed generally in PSR world, I don't think we needed £7m for Miggy to avoid a points deduction specifically. 

 

 

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4 hours ago, bowlingcrofty said:

Nor is it supposed to change it..it's supposed to explain it with statistics :neutral:

Why are you so angry against a statistic that just helps to paint a picture? 

Cos it's new and trendy, and i think it's something football hipsters try to use to make themselves look cool and knowledgeable when it shows nothing useful that couldn't be seen by watching 3 minutes of Sky highlights 

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1 hour ago, alexf said:

Does anyone feel like it's inevitable that we need to sell one of they core players for a minimum £70m+ in order to try and start building again? 

 

I don't see any other solutions at the moment. The  squad was already getting stale and it was only the return of Tonali that has helped boost it this season but there's very little beneath the first 11. 

 

It doesn't seem like we are able to sell the deadwood for sufficient funds to be able to kick on, in the same way other clubs are able to do. 

 

Seems like we're pinning everything on getting top 5 this year but it's gonna be a tall ask with so many teams competing for it. 

Either that, or increase our commercial income.

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38 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Generalising and conflating two points there I think (Waugh). Some sales are needed generally in PSR world, I don't think we needed £7m for Miggy to avoid a points deduction specifically. 

 

 

 

I think that's exactly it. I don't think we're in any immediate trouble this year if we hadn't sold.

 

 

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The problem with xG and especially xG stats/xP is that it doesn't take into account what is actually going on on the pitch and that football is generally a low scoring game. If a team is winning they are more likely to concede a higher xG than a winning team, but that doesn't necessarily reflect how the game is actually going. 

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19 minutes ago, enthusiast said:

multi-club ownership is fucking vile, i'd be disgusted if we started doing watford/city style-type shenanigans, shuffling players between clubs.

 

With financial shackles the way they are, might be no other choice.

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35 minutes ago, Turnbull2000 said:

 

With financial shackles the way they are, might be no other choice.

 

 

Exactly. This is exactly the right thread for it as well, thanks to Financial Fair Play ( :lol: ) this is exactly the sort of thing we have to be doing. That the PL and their cartel masters for it.

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53 minutes ago, Turnbull2000 said:

might be no other choice.

 

there plainly is a moral choice not to get involved in something that (iyam) is eroding the soul of the game, though i appreciate this might not be the time/place to have that discussion

 

 

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If we were the first ones doing it as some kind of Chelsea-like innovation in rule flexing then I'd probably feel bad about us doing it, but literally every cunt else is adopting a multi-club model at this point so craic on and buy us a nice Belgian or Brazilian club I say.

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13 minutes ago, Bunk Moreland said:

If we were the first ones doing it as some kind of Chelsea-like innovation in rule flexing then I'd probably feel bad about us doing it, but literally every cunt else is adopting a multi-club model at this point so craic on and buy us a nice Belgian or Brazilian club I say.

Brazilian club to hoover up all the young talent and sell to us well below market rate.

 

Happens all the time with Red Bull and other multi club models.

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1 hour ago, Turnbull2000 said:

 

With financial shackles the way they are, might be no other choice.

That's right. There's a lot of things that are vulgar that because of these bullshit rules leave little choice now.  Stadium sponsorship, ticket prices, having a farm youth set up, selling home grown players, multi-club ownership. Its all crap but a case of don't hate the player hate the game. These rules are lifting

 

 

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2 minutes ago, ExiledGeordie said:

Am I right in understanding that we are essentially paying for over spending early on following the takeover? As the 3 year period comes to an end in June we’re still sailing close to the line? Is that right?

Not really. If the rules at the time of takeover (105m loss over 3 years) were still in place we could spend, but since then new rules have been brought in to cap spending on players (wages and amortised fees) as a percentage of revenue, and we are sailing close to the wind on that one I think.

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4 minutes ago, Unbelievable said:

Not really. If the rules at the time of takeover (105m loss over 3 years) were still in place we could spend, but since then new rules have been brought in to cap spending on players (wages and amortised fees) as a percentage of revenue, and we are sailing close to the wind on that one I think.


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10 minutes ago, ExiledGeordie said:

Am I right in understanding that we are essentially paying for over spending early on following the takeover? As the 3 year period comes to an end in June we’re still sailing close to the line? Is that right?

 

No, if these rules were continuing, then the £70M loss in our first post-takeover year would drop out of the equation (3 year cycle) being three years ago, so we would be fine.

 

However, they have thought of a new way to stop us with their new "Squad Cost Ratio" rules !!!

 

Their determination is impressive, I have to say.

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2 minutes ago, manorpark said:

 

No, if these rules were continuing, then the £70M loss in our first post-takeover year would drop out of the equation (3 year cycle) being three years ago, so we would be fine.

 

However, they have thought of a new way to stop us with their new "Squad Cost Ratio" rules !!!

 

Their determination is impressive, I have to say.

We voted for the new squad cost rules I think.

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