JT24 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 On 18/02/2025 at 10:49, SUPERTOON said: Expand A 165 day wait is scandalous. No wonder sponsorships seem so slow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 On 18/02/2025 at 11:37, wyn davies said: The PSR/APT rules should be relaxed for those promoted from the Championship otherwise they have no chance of remaining in the PL leaving the option of why bother trying for promotion from the championship Expand Now you understand the motivation for the other clubs voting for these rules. To be clear nobody wants to actual compete because competition is expensive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT24 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 I’d be very interested to find out the two sponsorships Staveley was presumably negotiating. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 On 18/02/2025 at 10:49, SUPERTOON said: Expand I haven't read this in detail, but the existence of this kind of thing is genuinely mental. A sporting league creating a body to judge against its own members and keep money away from its own product. It just shouldn't be allowed and makes zero sense except from the most cynical level for a few individual owners who want into the league for cheap or who want to protect their position. The whole league really needs to be reorganised and governed as a company with a single strategy, instead of a member's club for the owners of the current clubs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 On 18/02/2025 at 11:46, AyeDubbleYoo said: I haven't read this in detail, but the existence of this kind of thing is genuinely mental. A sporting league creating a body to judge against its own members and keep money away from its own product. It just shouldn't be allowed and makes zero sense except from the most cynical level for a few individual owners who want into the league for cheap or who want to protect their position. The whole league really needs to be reorganised and governed as a company with a single strategy, instead of a member's club for the owners of the current clubs. Expand Ian, you don't think your final paragraph is what is going on now? The Premier league is a company and each club holds a share. It's this structure which allows them to get away with such actions. As I've been saying for a long time now, don't expect the rules to change to make our lives easier by choice, ultimately the current rules benefit for the majority of shareholders as limiting competition is the name of the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 On 18/02/2025 at 11:50, r0cafella said: Ian, you don't think your final paragraph is what is going on now? The Premier league is a company and each club holds a share. It's this structure which allows them to get away with such actions. As I've been saying for a long time now, don't expect the rules to change to make our lives easier by choice, ultimately the current rules benefit for the majority of shareholders as limiting competition is the name of the game. Expand Yes. And the only way PIF was allowed to buy in was to agree to the rules, however medieval they now seem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonBez comesock Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 On 18/02/2025 at 10:49, SUPERTOON said: Expand 165 days !! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 (edited) On 18/02/2025 at 10:51, Choppy Chop Chop said: I'm totally lost (every time i look at this thread) Expand The cliff notes are that the Sela sponsorship took 165 days to be approved by the PL. The Tweet also claims, based on submissions, we may have a claim for losses as the amount that was originally put forward for the Sela sponsorship was reduced by circa £5 million per annum. Edited February 18 by The Prophet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 On 18/02/2025 at 12:04, The Prophet said: The cliff notes are that the Sela sponsorship took 165 days to be approved by the PL. The Tweet also claims, based on submissions, we may have a claim for losses as the amount that was originally put forward for the Sela sponsorship was reduced by at least £5 million per annum. Expand The fact market value can be judged by the league and be brought down is ridiculous. Basically the Premier league will decide the rate at which you can close the gap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 (edited) On 18/02/2025 at 11:50, r0cafella said: Ian, you don't think your final paragraph is what is going on now? The Premier league is a company and each club holds a share. It's this structure which allows them to get away with such actions. As I've been saying for a long time now, don't expect the rules to change to make our lives easier by choice, ultimately the current rules benefit for the majority of shareholders as limiting competition is the name of the game. Expand Yeah, but what I mean is... an alternative way to imagine the PL would be like a company that runs a league, the members of which are basically temporary. The clubs wouldn't be so influential, although they would be stakeholders for the time they're in. The PL itself would have managers, a CEO and all the things that a private company has. It would be their job to maximise the quality, competitiveness and the appeal of that league. If that was the case then I would imagine they would do what it takes to be the richest and most exciting league in the world. The fact that people like Mbappe don't play here would be considered a failure. That structure might have its own problems that would affect football in their own way (money going crazy) but at least it would be coherent in making the league the richest and 'best' it can be. Edited February 18 by AyeDubbleYoo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 On 18/02/2025 at 12:04, The Prophet said: The cliff notes are that the Sela sponsorship took 165 days to be approved by the PL. The Tweet also claims, based on submissions, we may have a claim for losses as the amount that was originally put forward for the Sela sponsorship was reduced by circa £5 million per annum. Expand The Beautiful Game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 I'm totally pro-City these days, I hope they burn the lot down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 None of this a surprise. Was fairly common knowledge we had two big deals log-jammed by the EPL. Would love it to lead to us proving it was the difference to cover the PSR difference that ultimately lead us to having to sell Mintah and Anderson. What a chain of events that would cause Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
macphisto Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 On 18/02/2025 at 12:04, The Prophet said: The cliff notes are that the Sela sponsorship took 165 days to be approved by the PL. The Tweet also claims, based on submissions, we may have a claim for losses as the amount that was originally put forward for the Sela sponsorship was reduced by circa £5 million per annum. Expand I wonder if we could claim damages/ loss of earnings in either not being able to strengthen resulting in us not finishing in a European place or being forced to lose Anderson/Minteh on the cheap/against our wishes? Apologies if it sounds stupid, I didn't tread the whole thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 (edited) Yeah, sounds like we could have a case. It also states that we had two sponsors lined up, but they pulled out after the PL put a temporary stop on them, presumably while they did FVM checks. Edited February 18 by The Prophet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 On 18/02/2025 at 12:17, The Prophet said: Yeah. It also states that we had two sponsors lined up, but they pulled out after the PL put a temporary stop on them, presumably while they did FVM checks. Expand FFS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 I wonder what the chances are that clubs undergoing sponsorship checks for us suddenly find themselves being privately questioned by 'independent actors' over whether they really want to be seen to be supporting an oil club with such controversial owners, and do they really want that kind of media coverage for their brand... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 I want these damages paid for by the clubs that voted against us Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Choppy Chop Chop Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 On 18/02/2025 at 12:04, The Prophet said: The cliff notes are that the Sela sponsorship took 165 days to be approved by the PL. The Tweet also claims, based on submissions, we may have a claim for losses as the amount that was originally put forward for the Sela sponsorship was reduced by circa £5 million per annum. Expand Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikky Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 I am sure Man City had their Etihad renewal awaiting to be approved for 18 months ….?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitley mag Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 Good to see the club feeding City with evidence whilst sitting in the background, probably lends weight to why we haven’t pushed through any other sponsorships until this is resolved. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 On 18/02/2025 at 12:08, The Prophet said: I'm totally pro-City these days, I hope they burn the lot down. Expand Nah, I want them to get APT overturned but still want them to get done for the dodgy accounting. I do think some set of rules need to be in place to stop someone else doing a Chelsea/Man City while also aiding competitiveness Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 On 18/02/2025 at 20:01, madras said: Nah, I want them to get APT overturned but still want them to get done for the dodgy accounting. I do think some set of rules need to be in place to stop someone else doing a Chelsea/Man City while also aiding competitiveness Expand You can do that with anchoring and other things. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 On 18/02/2025 at 20:07, The College Dropout said: You can do that with anchoring and other things. Expand I'd have to have a proper look at it, all the clauses etc before giving it my assent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 On 18/02/2025 at 11:45, JT24 said: I’d be very interested to find out the two sponsorships Staveley was presumably negotiating. Expand Can’t reveal my sauce but I know for sure that one of them was definitely Sven Adult Books Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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