Jackie Broon Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 (edited) 4 hours ago, PauloGeordio said: Hasn’t it already been proved that we are separate from the state? Wasn’t that a condition of the takeover? Not really. It was about demonstrating, or giving "legally binding assurances" in the end, that the club would not be "controlled" by the state. I doubt this will end up in the bill for the reasons people have already gone into, but if it were to I think it would likely mean that PIF move on. During the takeover issues they could have just put the club in Al-Rumayyan or some other individual's name and saved themselves all of the bother of the issues with PIF, but they publically walked away from the deal rather than do that. Edited November 29 by Jackie Broon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 I think the fact that the club has behaved itself financially will go strongly in it's favour. There were daft rumours about lashing out hundreds of millions on an annual basis - never happened. Signing ridiculous sponsorship deals - never happened. Signing loads of players from Saudi clubs for less than they're worth - never happened. Breaking FFP rules and taking the points hit - never happened. They've done it by the book and played fair (a bit too fair imo) but haven't taken the piss. Can't see any way this goes through, too many allies and no grounds to chuck them out, they've done nothing wrong whatsoever with the ownership pov Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 (edited) 2 hours ago, andycap said: Just join the jocks league if it ever did pass. May as well get Real Madrid, Barcelona and Juventus on the blower and fuck off with Man City. I've dreaded a euro super league all my life but if all the future holds is fighting for 7th whilst the mostly despised top six compete amongst themselves in a league constructed to ensure both of those outcomes, it'd be little loss Edited November 29 by Jonas Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjohnson Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 21 minutes ago, midds said: I think the fact that the club has behaved itself financially will go strongly in it's favour. There were daft rumours about lashing out hundreds of millions on an annual basis - never happened. Signing ridiculous sponsorship deals - never happened. Signing loads of players from Saudi clubs for less than they're worth - never happened. Breaking FFP rules and taking the points hit - never happened. They've done it by the book and played fair (a bit too fair imo) but haven't taken the piss. Can't see any way this goes through, too many allies and no grounds to chuck them out, they've done nothing wrong whatsoever with the ownership pov And it's done us the square root of sod all good while rivals are getting further ahead by bending, dodging and blatantly ignoring rules that were sticking to. Skint? Sell a hotel you own to yourself...overspend...say covid made you do it, get blatantly caught with your pants down balls deep in a skanky hooker, hire lawyers and delay punishment for eternity. Following the rules in a world where no one else does gets you nowhere no matter what level you're at. Show me a billionaire that hasn't shat on someone along the way...hell I earn a decent wage and live fairly comfortably without busting my balls with 70 hour weeks and look across the road to people I get on with fine who've never worked a day in their life and pull in double by knowing and gaming the system Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 (edited) 1 hour ago, Jackie Broon said: Not really. It was about demonstrating, or "giving legally binding assurances" in the end, that the club would not be "controlled" by the state. I doubt this will end up in the bill for the reasons people have already gone into, but if it were to I think it would likely mean that PIF move on. During the takeover issues they could have just put the club in Al-Rumayyan or some other individual's name and saved themselves all of the bother of the issues with PIF, but they publically walked away from the deal rather than do that. They couldn’t do that mind - Al-Rumayyan’s running of the PIF still links him to the state. And MBS is still the head of the PIF. Edited November 29 by TheBrownBottle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 I personally look forward to those in politics showing us their true mettle and not allowing foreign state ownership of UK assets. Starting with our water, electricity, and trains mind - our football clubs really should be bottom of that list. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 39 minutes ago, gjohnson said: And it's done us the square root of sod all good while rivals are getting further ahead by bending, dodging and blatantly ignoring rules that were sticking to. Skint? Sell a hotel you own to yourself...overspend...say covid made you do it, get blatantly caught with your pants down balls deep in a skanky hooker, hire lawyers and delay punishment for eternity. Following the rules in a world where no one else does gets you nowhere no matter what level you're at. Show me a billionaire that hasn't shat on someone along the way...hell I earn a decent wage and live fairly comfortably without busting my balls with 70 hour weeks and look across the road to people I get on with fine who've never worked a day in their life and pull in double by knowing and gaming the system I'm just saying that the whole "let's ban this state owner club despite breaking no rules and not taking the piss" shtick probably won't amount to much. I will happily admit I'd love to see us push things as far as possible and even break the rules and then challenge them. But we've done nothing untoward and they're still papping their whackers at the mere thought of a successful Newcastle United. Bit embarrassing tbph Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjohnson Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 31 minutes ago, midds said: I'm just saying that the whole "let's ban this state owner club despite breaking no rules and not taking the piss" shtick probably won't amount to much. I will happily admit I'd love to see us push things as far as possible and even break the rules and then challenge them. But we've done nothing untoward and they're still papping their whackers at the mere thought of a successful Newcastle United. Bit embarrassing tbph Yes they're petrified, and rightly should be if Saudi did seriously push it...the slightest hint of pissing off a major trade partner would have a Parliment discussion before you could say "money", and we'd have free reign to do a Chelsea/CityPSG Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Broon Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 (edited) 1 hour ago, TheBrownBottle said: They couldn’t do that mind - Al-Rumayyan’s running of the PIF still links him to the state. And MBS is still the head of the PIF. I think they could, Al-Rumayyan being employed by PIF doesn't mean that his persoal assets are state owned. But I doubt that they would do that. Edited November 29 by Jackie Broon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 1 hour ago, Jackie Broon said: I think they could, Al-Rumayyan being employed by PIF doesn't mean that his persoal assets are state owned. But I doubt that they would do that. The proposed amendment also makes it illegal for anyone in a government role, and their immediate family members from owning a football club, or being on the board, with no distinction between British government, or foreign governments, and no description of what is and isn’t classed as government. This amendment would mean that Karen Brady would either have to give up her role at West Ham, or give up her role in the House of Lords. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Posted December 1 Share Posted December 1 (edited) What a bleak ffp/psr result that Chelsea-Villa one was. Hit the glass ceiling same as us. Club that's been allowed to spend its rich owners money for 30years beating a team that hasn't been allowed to spend its owners money. And where's the legacy in that? Aston Villa have historically been a much bigger club than Chelsea who were an utter dogshit club until the late 90s but weren't when the music stopped with the cartel next to emtpy chairs so that's the way it has to be? What a load of shit. Edited December 1 by Jonas Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted December 1 Share Posted December 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronson333 Posted December 1 Share Posted December 1 It’s disgusting, if you are looking after the welfare of clubs as they claim, how is debt not seen as a problem? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Turnbull2000 Posted December 1 Share Posted December 1 Chelsea's second team cost more than our first team - and no doubt they'll splurge again next year. We haven't a fucking hope. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miggys First Goal Posted December 1 Share Posted December 1 Fuck football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted Sunday at 23:29 Share Posted Sunday at 23:29 Honestly feels like we're the subject of someone's wish in a real-life version of the Wishmaster films. "I want Newcastle United to be th richest club in the world!!" "Done " "But we're not winning anything ?!" "Newcastle United is the richest club in the world, you never said anything about being good, muahahaha!" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted Sunday at 23:39 Share Posted Sunday at 23:39 9 minutes ago, HawK said: Honestly feels like we're the subject of someone's wish in a real-life version of the Wishmaster films. "I want Newcastle United to be th richest club in the world!!" "Done " "But we're not winning anything ?!" "Newcastle United is the richest club in the world, you never said anything about being good, muahahaha!" We've made a Faustian pact and got the reward a Faustian pact brings ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McDog Posted Sunday at 23:47 Share Posted Sunday at 23:47 Just now, TheBrownBottle said: We've made a Faustian pact and got the reward a Faustian pact brings ... "Those who play with the devil's toys will be brought by degrees to wield his sword" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted Monday at 00:08 Share Posted Monday at 00:08 18 minutes ago, McDog said: "Those who play with the devil's toys will be brought by degrees to wield his sword" "and from making of sport they come to doing of mischief". I remember using that quote from Fuller in an essay on Marlowe many many years ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted Monday at 06:17 Share Posted Monday at 06:17 Why have we still not maximised our sponsorship deals ? Can we not just get a huge loan from the Saudis then pay fair market value interest ? It seems like we don't want to push for deals incase we upset the EPL. #or has every loophole now been shut down and we are just stuck in a permanent mid table rut# Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted Monday at 06:31 Share Posted Monday at 06:31 13 minutes ago, Ben said: Why have we still not maximised our sponsorship deals ? Can we not just get a huge loan from the Saudis then pay fair market value interest ? It seems like we don't want to push for deals incase we upset the EPL. #or has every loophole now been shut down and we are just stuck in a permanent mid table rut# Loans don't count for psr. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted Monday at 06:42 Share Posted Monday at 06:42 10 minutes ago, r0cafella said: Loans don't count for psr. I think I'm just clutching at straws at this point, we are close to being a good team again but have this massive millstone around our necks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-421 Posted Monday at 06:49 Share Posted Monday at 06:49 16 minutes ago, r0cafella said: Loans don't count for psr. I thought that was one of the changes just voted in, the interest on shareholder loans, which was previously excluded (ans as such no interest was being charged) and would now count toward PSR? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted Monday at 07:02 Share Posted Monday at 07:02 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Ben said: Why have we still not maximised our sponsorship deals ? Can we not just get a huge loan from the Saudis then pay fair market value interest ? It seems like we don't want to push for deals incase we upset the EPL. #or has every loophole now been shut down and we are just stuck in a permanent mid table rut# I suspect we haven’t signed any new sponsorship deals because there’s a court case going on that directly impacts the potential value of our sponsorship deals Edited Monday at 07:02 by bobbydazzla Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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