Financial Fair Play / Profit & Sustainability

[TRon]

9 hours ago, huss9 said:

wish they'd been as dynamic with us as they have been with LIV.

 

 

 

 

 

I think they would have been given the chance to build a title winning team. They have to work within the parameters of PL and UEFA rules when it comes to football.

[huss9]

27 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

 

I think they would have been given the chance to build a title winning team. They have to work within the parameters of PL and UEFA rules when it comes to football.

just thought they'd have worked as close to the limits without breaking them.

sure they could have persuaded a few compamies to sponsor us for a year on a rolling contract or something.

a stand, the traiing ground etc. even the stadium. they have a lot of trading partners around the world.

[Dr Jinx]

So if the club is valued closer to 1bn now, do you think PIF have a number, a value, where if it reaches that and there is interest, that they would sell?

 

The initial investment in players was to ensure we stayed in the league and with just a few more additions we got top 4. They haven't invested or been able to much since and we've dropped off.

 

I am sure they'd be delighted to win something but it doesn't occur to me that they are doing EVERYTHING they can so ensure that. It's not a Middle-East vanity project.

 

We're all waiting for some financial flex that may never come, so in itself worrying about PSR or whatever other bullshit the cartel wants to protect themselves with, it's sort of irrelevant.

 

Announcing a new stadium would go some way to putting my mind at ease but so far, all we have is a feasibility study, maybe costing 100k? And of course we do not know what they are discussing behind closed doors, the answer could well be "not now".

 

Regardless of whatever happens, we're never going back to the Mike Ashley days so i'll always be thankful for that.

[TRon]

9 minutes ago, huss9 said:

just thought they'd have worked as close to the limits without breaking them.

sure they could have persuaded a few compamies to sponsor us for a year on a rolling contract or something.

a stand, the traiing ground etc. even the stadium. they have a lot of trading partners around the world.

 

You compared to LIV, I just assumed that they were a lot more dynamic with them because there was less obstacles they needed to overcome to crash onto the world class golf scene. Football is a lot bigger and more complicated.

[huss9]

1 minute ago, TRon said:

 

You compared to LIV, I just assumed that they were a lot more dynamic with them because there was less obstacles they needed to overcome to crash onto the world class golf scene. Football is a lot bigger and more complicated.

just wanted us to build on the initial rapid success.

[TRon]

1 minute ago, huss9 said:

just wanted us to build on the initial rapid success.

 

I've said it enough times now, but I think for that it would have to be a vanity project. To make us no 1. TheFFP/PSR as they are currently being interpreted make that very unlikely. My concern is that it now reverts to an investment project with a limited ceiling, in which case does throwing loads of money at it make financial sense?

 

 

[The College Dropout]

Again - I don’t follow Golf. But is it not a case similar to boxing that you come in with lots of cash and get your way? Similar to the boxing.  There’s like 5 major boxing promotions and they are all selling to the highest bidder. It doesn’t take elite business acumen to take over the game.  It’s easy to build momentum. 
 

 

Football in 2024/25 is far more competitive than boxing and I assume golf.   Write a big cheque in boxing and the biggest enemies will hold hands together and smile. 

37 minutes ago, huss9 said:

just thought they'd have worked as close to the limits without breaking them.

sure they could have persuaded a few compamies to sponsor us for a year on a rolling contract or something.

a stand, the traiing ground etc. even the stadium. they have a lot of trading partners around the world.

Agreed.  That to me would be ‘doing everything they can’.  

[The College Dropout]

 

Forest owner talking about his ambitions and PSR.  Not watched yet. 
 

edit: doesnt talk much about PSR

 

 

Edited December 5, 2024 by The College Dropout

[Jackie Broon]

On 03/12/2024 at 09:37, Dr Jinx said:

So if the club is valued closer to 1bn now, do you think PIF have a number, a value, where if it reaches that and there is interest, that they would sell?

 

The initial investment in players was to ensure we stayed in the league and with just a few more additions we got top 4. They haven't invested or been able to much since and we've dropped off.

 

I am sure they'd be delighted to win something but it doesn't occur to me that they are doing EVERYTHING they can so ensure that. It's not a Middle-East vanity project.

 

We're all waiting for some financial flex that may never come, so in itself worrying about PSR or whatever other bullshit the cartel wants to protect themselves with, it's sort of irrelevant.

 

Announcing a new stadium would go some way to putting my mind at ease but so far, all we have is a feasibility study, maybe costing 100k? And of course we do not know what they are discussing behind closed doors, the answer could well be "not now".

 

Regardless of whatever happens, we're never going back to the Mike Ashley days so i'll always be thankful for that.

 

The club isn’t really valued at 1bn, that was just extrapolated from what PIF paid for Staveley's shares, which was probably a bit of a generous golden goodbye.

[Doctor Zaius]

Premier League have got exactly as they wanted. Nobody challenge the 'big six'. 

[Decky]

If we're hamstrung in January again we need to seriously consider bending the rules like cunts, just like Chelsea do, or else take the cunts to court because these rules are the most anti-competitive rules in all of sport and need to be challenged. 

[Novocastrian]

Unfortunately this ends with selling Isak or Bruno, probably both if we are out of Europe. We would need a magician to allow to compete regularly in the CL for the 4 or 5 seasons it would take for us to push through this ceiling into a bona fide ‘Big 6’ club.

[The College Dropout]

3 hours ago, Decky said:

If we're hamstrung in January again we need to seriously consider bending the rules like cunts, just like Chelsea do, or else take the cunts to court because these rules are the most anti-competitive rules in all of sport and need to be challenged. 

Should’ve done this from day one.  It’s the main reason I’m ambivalent to Howe or the season at large. 
Finishing 7th and qualifying for the Conference League isn’t going to be the difference between. Keeping Isak and building a deeper squad that can challenge on multiple fronts.  
 

We need to challenge for CL year in year out. Europa is ok as it’s a back door into the CL if you win it and requires a strong squad.  
 

To do that we need £150m more revenue per season as a minimum. Until I see us attempting to do that somehow - the leadership is kidding themselves 

[Shearergol]

3 hours ago, Doctor Zaius said:

Premier League have got exactly as they wanted. Nobody challenge the 'big six'. 

Brentford are having a go like

[Shearergol]

3 hours ago, Novocastrian said:

Unfortunately this ends with selling Isak or Bruno, probably both if we are out of Europe. We would need a magician to allow to compete regularly in the CL for the 4 or 5 seasons it would take for us to push through this ceiling into a bona fide ‘Big 6’ club.

Selling Bruno and Isak would certainly make things easier for me as I could stop caring as much.

[Ben]

9 minutes ago, Shearergol said:

Brentford are having a go like

 

At home

[Shearergol]

18 minutes ago, Ben said:

 

At home

Forest and Villa then 

[AngelofTheFourth]

When you see an Manchester Yanited  continuously be able to make bad football and business decisions time and time again because their commercial revenue are able to pay for them to do so. Its straight up cronyism and we all just go with it like it's nothing. 

[Jackie Broon]

48 minutes ago, AngelofTheFourth said:

When you see an Manchester Yanited  continuously be able to make bad football and business decisions time and time again because their commercial revenue are able to pay for them to do so. Its straight up cronyism and we all just go with it like it's nothing. 

 

Even with their revenues, without the exemptions the PL allowed them they would have failed PSR last season. Exemptions similar to ones they didn't allow for Everton. Which is even more straight up cronyism

[Scoot]

1 minute ago, Jackie Broon said:

 

Even with their revenues, without the exemptions the PL allowed them they would have failed PSR last season. Exemptions similar to ones they didn't allow for Everton. Which is even more straight up cronyism

 

It makes you wonder why Everton haven't done anything about it. Exceptions are always made for certain clubs yet no one ever does anything about it, it would seem.

[The College Dropout]

Man U are up against PSR. Not like us but they are there.  
 

They’ve got massive scope to move the needle though.  Moving on Jadon Sancho frees on £15m on wages alone per year.   They can get a better player on half the wages. 

 

 

Edited December 8, 2024 by The College Dropout

[TRon]

1 hour ago, Scoot said:

 

It makes you wonder why Everton haven't done anything about it. Exceptions are always made for certain clubs yet no one ever does anything about it, it would seem.

 

 

Seems like they've given up on any ambition following Moshiri's disastrous attempt to crash the big boy party and are now happy to pipe down and just take whatever cash is available.

[Shays Given Tim Flowers]

7 hours ago, AngelofTheFourth said:

When you see an Manchester Yanited  continuously be able to make bad football and business decisions time and time again because their commercial revenue are able to pay for them to do so. Its straight up cronyism and we all just go with it like it's nothing. 

 

See also pre-Klopp Liverpool. 

[Poon Raccoon]

Any Lawyers on here, is an anti-competitive lawsuit an option ?

 

Any of you who follow F1 may have seen the case where the FIA welcomed the Andretti Team into F1, but the owners of F1 didn't give them the go ahead, mainly driven by other F1 Teams who argued the prizemoney would be diluted if an 11th Team, Andretti, came in.

 

However Andretti’s rejection was brought to the attention of US politicians who invited Mario Andretti to Capitol Hill ahead of the Miami Grand Prix in May, and sparked a Department of Justice investigation into the matter.

 

Boom, u turn and Andretti will enter in 2026 under the Cadillac name.

 

The way things currently stand Newcastle will never reach the level of the Cartel 6 the way the rules are currently written.

 

So i think there only option is something akin to what Andretti did above, bring it to the attention of the Legal gurus for anti competitive behaviour.

 

Lawyers out there, thoughts ?

 

 

Edited December 9, 2024 by Poon Raccoon

[manorpark]

8 minutes ago, Poon Raccoon said:

Any Lawyers on here, is an anti-competitive lawsuit an option ?

 

Any of you who follow F1 may have seen the case where the FIA welcomed the Andretti Team into F1, but the owners of F1 didn't give them the go ahead, mainly driven by other F1 Teams who argued the prizemoney would be diluted if an 11th Team, Andretti, came in.

 

However Andretti’s rejection was brought to the attention of US politicians who invited Mario Andretti to Capitol Hill ahead of the Miami Grand Prix in May, and sparked a Department of Justice investigation into the matter.

 

Boom, u turn and Andretti will enter in 2026 under the Cadillac name.

 

The way things currently stand Newcastle will never reach the level of the Cartel 6 the way the rules are currently written.

 

So i think there only option is something akin to what Andretti did above, bring it to the attention of the Legal gurus for anti competitive behaviour.

 

Lawyers out there, thoughts ?

 

 

 

 

The club simply cannot do that as they signed and agreed the rules of the Premier League when they joined which included a clause that a club CANNOT take legal action against the EPL at all.

 

Other people/groups can take out an anti-competition legal suite, providing they can prove (1) they have been adversely affected by the EPL Cartel and can prove (2) that they have enough money to take the action and pay the EPL costs if they lose. 

 

The 'other people' who fulfil the above two criteria could (for example) be a fan group or wealthy individual.