Financial Fair Play / Profit & Sustainability

[Sibierski]

3 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

They only got 55m yikes very little value from a powerful card. 

 

Proper kicks can down the road to next summer, because they'll spend and be in same situation next summer.

 

Monchi going to be wheeling and dealing like mad, once again. Clubs should stay away from signing Villa players and let them get fucked (at least to the point they have to sell top players for below value due to being in a weak position). Sure they will end up peddling Bailey and Buendia to Saudi for like £70m between them though.

[Fenham Mag]

19 minutes ago, gdm said:

 

That photo says it all, empty stadium, sold for £55m - I'm fucking sick of this shit.

[Super Duper Branko Strupar]

Mmmm, more US investment companies. We'll not bemoan all of this in the future at all. 

[Mikky]

4 minutes ago, Sibierski said:

 

Proper kicks can down the road to next summer, because they'll spend and be in same situation next summer.

 

Monchi going to be wheeling and dealing like mad, once again. Clubs should stay away from signing Villa players and let them get fucked (at least to the point they have to sell top players for below value due to being in a weak position). Sure they will end up peddling Bailey and Buendia to Saudi for like £70m between them though.

Flogging players to Saudi is no issue for them - guaranteed inflated income  

[Kanj]

Sold to their parent company. Utter joke these loopholes. 

[spudwiser]

3 hours ago, mighty__mag said:

 

Well colour me shocked... I'm not used to hearing such sense spoken on talksport. 

[GeordieDazzler]

16 minutes ago, gdm said:

 

PSR died as a serious concept with this Hotel/Womans team nonsense. 
 

Im not a hater of PSR in general and think things could be quite grim without it but it feels like we’ve crossed the Rubicon of allowing teams to circumvent it. 
 

Sticking to the rules gets you nowhere, starting to feel we should try and burn the whole thing to the ground. 

[Fenham Mag]

Just now, Super Duper Branko Strupar said:

Mmmm, more US investment companies. We'll not bemoan all of this in the future at all. 

 

We're gaslighted daily that middle eastern sovereign funds are the issue.

 

Turns out football imitates real life politics. 

[Super Duper Branko Strupar]

We're gleefully selling off our most beloved things. Rotten. 

[Kanj]

We don’t have any other assets to sell, it’s our men’s team, a decent training ground, a leasehold position on the stadium and i guess the fee interest in the stack site. Our women’s team is far off. So please stop mentioning our owners aren’t using any loopholes to use because we don’t have anything to move.
 

And the one time we sold a player to Saudi, we were run thru the mud in the press and made to defend why Maxi was a 25m player despite his age and helping us qualify for CL. Meanwhile Dhuran has one good half season and goes for double. 
 

finally - I don’t want to use loopholes. I want to do this the right way. 

 

 

Edited 9 hours ago by Kanj

[Stottie]

Just passing on what I read the other day when looking for info on Villa and PSR, but....

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Following Chelsea’s big sale, football finance expert Stefan Borson claims that Villa could value their women’s side at more than £100 million.

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"If Chelsea's women's team is worth £200m, all of the value in the women's team that justifies £200m is about what the women's game looks like in 2050," he said on talkSPORT. "It's not about what it looks like in 2025.

"It's irrelevant in the formative years of the women's game that Chelsea won trophies because it's all about the future value. So if it's all about the future value of a top football club franchise in the women's game, that applies to almost any Premier League club regardless of their current size.

"Newcastle, Everton and Aston Villa's women's teams are all worth over £100m on the Chelsea valuation metrics because it's not about what they have won so far or the revenue or the profit - it's about what they might be worth in 25 years' time with a football brand the equivalent of Chelsea's."

 

 

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-handed-100m-verdict-31948579

 

It sounds like they've settled on a valuation of closer to 60M, maybe to not ruffle feathers. My quote could still be correct though in that this valuation is based on speculation and not any actual finances of the Aston Villa women's team in 2025. We could of course do this ourselves now two others have done it.

[HayDen Traces]

They can only do this once and they've played their hand.

One day in the next few seasons we might do the same so no point sticking the boot in

[The Prophet]

Stack anyone?

[Kanj]

8 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

Stack anyone?

selling it at a sub 10 cap rate I assume on NOI. It’s an event space on a parking lot that otherwise is tied to the football club in Birmingham. No other investment company is buying that for that value. Absolute funny math.

[JT24]

13 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

Stack anyone?

Can just imagine they’re baiting us to try something like this. 

 

Moment we do its curtains and sent packing to the National League. 

[Turnbull2000]

19 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

Stack anyone?

 

Selling the stack but keeping the income is how you do. After all, Chelsea 'sold' their hotel and still keep all the profits they generates.

[gdm]

I’ve never been in the stack but there’s no way it’s worth £50m probably not even worth £2m

[Stifler]

1 minute ago, gdm said:

I’ve never been in the stack but there’s no way it’s worth £50m probably not even worth £2m

It made £1m in December.

 

As it happens I think we’ll sell the stack when we get our new stadium with a built in fanzone.

[Turnbull2000]

4 minutes ago, gdm said:

I’ve never been in the stack but there’s no way it’s worth £50m probably not even worth £2m

 

Well, Chelsea were allowed to sell the women's team on future project value, not current value. So we just need a spreadsheet projecting the stack and the land it sits on will be worth £100m in a decade.

[janpawel]

Fair play Villa 

 

Replacing missing CL revenue with  loophole £50M

 

Doing their absolute best to try and consolidate themselves in the European spots via off the pitch methods (loopholes and singings/wages) 

 

Annoys me... We've taken a squeaky-clean approach the past couple of years. We held back on spending, sold players, relied on Eddie Howe’s magic to overachieve with minimal investment, and for what? Makes it feel like our frugality and restraint have been pointless when shit like this exists 

 

No issues with Villa doing it, hate the game not the player etc

 

 

[TheBrownBottle]

Selling the women’s team feels like a massively retrograde step, it’s a disgrace that the PL are effectively encouraging this (I don’t blame Villa though) 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Can’t the parent company just sell it back to them for £10m and then rinse and repeat? 

[HawK]

It's going to get silly, the logical conclusion is that clubs start owning other businesses and stores to generate revenue. You'll get Chelsea FC Waste Management, Chelsea FC Burger Company, Chelsea FC Agreggates.

 

Let alone stockholding and dividend payouts being added to the bottom line.

[loki679]

13 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Selling the women’s team feels like a massively retrograde step, it’s a disgrace that the PL are effectively encouraging this (I don’t blame Villa though) 

 

They're not actually selling it though, they're 'selling' it to themselves.  It's like if you paid yourself twenty quid for moving your TV from one bedroom to another.  Still your TV, in your house, just a different room and you can go tell everyone you just made twenty quid.

[Robster]

46 minutes ago, gdm said:

I’ve never been in the stack but there’s no way it’s worth £50m probably not even worth £2m

It's worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it.