Groundhog63 Posted Monday at 09:59 Share Posted Monday at 09:59 5 minutes ago, wormy said: You have to wonder if he's so promising why is that the most game time he's seen the entire year? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted Monday at 10:05 Share Posted Monday at 10:05 Archie Gray is a good example of a very talented 18 y/o. Miley needs game time to up his level and develop. If he’s not looking getting many meaningful minutes with us I’d like to see go on loan in Jan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mouldy_uk Posted Monday at 10:07 Share Posted Monday at 10:07 14 minutes ago, wormy said: You have to wonder if he's so promising why is that the most game time he's seen the entire year? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted Monday at 10:13 Share Posted Monday at 10:13 Route to first team is more congested this year unless we have an injury wave. as others have said a loan to Boro would be ideal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoot Posted Monday at 10:13 Share Posted Monday at 10:13 20 minutes ago, wormy said: You have to wonder if he's so promising why is that the most game time he's seen the entire year? He's been injured for 8 months. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikky Posted Monday at 10:30 Share Posted Monday at 10:30 23 minutes ago, Lotus said: Archie Gray is a good example of a very talented 18 y/o. Miley needs game time to up his level and develop. If he’s not looking getting many meaningful minutes with us I’d like to see go on loan in Jan. He doesn’t need a loan - better to train with Bruno and Sandro and be coached by a group that clearly know how to develop players It’s the likes of Parkinson et al that need a loan to see if they really have the quality to make it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiLvOR Posted Monday at 10:45 Share Posted Monday at 10:45 @wormy got a few here Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted Monday at 11:08 Share Posted Monday at 11:08 22 hours ago, Dokko said: Alan Smith (Leeds one) got 19 caps for England. Anything can happen. Smith was an excellent young forward at Leeds, where he won most of his caps - he was well worth all of them. He didn’t win any being a shit midfielder for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted Monday at 11:10 Share Posted Monday at 11:10 15 hours ago, STM said: At 18 years old he's much better than Longstaff or Anderson for starters. He's still in the "i don't know what type of player he is," bracket, because he's young and I don't know which part of his game is going to be the highlight. For me what stands out the most is his maturity. Alot of young players try and play the game at a million mile an hour, Miley is clean and crisp. His short range passing is superb, his decision making is great. I'd refer back to that assist to Isak last season. Of course there are areas of his game we haven't seen yet. Can he make well timed runs into the box? Can he show defensive discipline? Plenty of time for all that but really looking forward to seeing more of him. One thing is for certain, he couldn't have better mentors in Bruno, Tonali and of course Eddie Howe. He’s better than Longstaff and Anderson were at that age, but he isn’t better than either of them at present. He wouldn’t start ahead of them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benwell Lad Posted Monday at 11:20 Share Posted Monday at 11:20 The kid has had quite a tough introduction to his professional career and first team football. Last season, due to the injury crisis, he played far more than was ever intended. 15-20 minutes in relatively comfortable games would have been the ideal development path. Due to his own injuries (both quite freak) and our incredibly strong midfield department he's played less than he should have since then. It will be frustrating for him. Getting those minutes at the weekend will have given him a huge boost. It's crazy to debate how far a player so young can go. Anything can happen, but he's a very level headed kid, never cocky or brash, and everyone who has been involved in his development over the years at NUFC and the England set up would tell you that he has everything in place to be a top, top player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinky Posted Monday at 11:30 Share Posted Monday at 11:30 19 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: Smith was an excellent young forward at Leeds, where he won most of his caps - he was well worth all of them. He didn’t win any being a shit midfielder for us. I think he played in a couple of friendlies for England, after his arrival at St James (Austria and Germany) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted Monday at 11:40 Share Posted Monday at 11:40 53 minutes ago, SiLvOR said: @wormy got a few here What's that supposed to mean? This piling on for just asking questions is why more reasonable posters don't stick around. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibierski Posted Monday at 12:13 Share Posted Monday at 12:13 You only loan players who are young, if you either 1) need to see if they can perform at a certain level and 2) with a view to coming back or to be sold. Miley we already know is good enough so never going out on loan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted Monday at 12:22 Share Posted Monday at 12:22 Seems like loans are mainly used to stockpile players you really should sell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted Monday at 14:39 Share Posted Monday at 14:39 Loans should be used to give players exposure and experience to different types of systems, physicality, pressure and levels of competitiveness. Training with excellent players doesn’t automatically make you an excellent player too anymore than sparring with top rate boxers automatically makes you a top fighter. You’ve got to do it yourself in the environment of serious competition. It Miley is behind JL, Longstaff and Willock (given I expect Bruno & Sandro to start if available) then minutes could be difficult for him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRC Posted Monday at 14:49 Share Posted Monday at 14:49 2 hours ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: Seems like loans are mainly used to stockpile players you really should sell. I do think loans are to shop window players, while keeping a player in training you can mould them how you want. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted yesterday at 03:09 Share Posted yesterday at 03:09 Re loan or staying - I’m happy to let Howe make the call, it will likely be right. I was one of those scratching my head re Hall last season, and Howe made me look a right twat on that one (I’m happy he did!). In terms of developing players he’s the best I’ve seen at SJP. I’m confident he’ll know what’s best for the lad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted yesterday at 04:15 Share Posted yesterday at 04:15 He'll get games, I don't see the reason for a loan personally. Even if it's 20 minutes here and there it's still game time. Willock is a crock, Joe hasn't been great for a while. Miley has a great chance to make a difference Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1892 Posted 21 hours ago Share Posted 21 hours ago On 23/12/2024 at 10:30, Mikky said: He doesn’t need a loan - better to train with Bruno and Sandro and be coached by a group that clearly know how to develop players It’s the likes of Parkinson et al that need a loan to see if they really have the quality to make it Anderson seems to have excelled by starting on a regular basis at Forest, compared to when he was here training with Bruno and Tonali. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
healthyaddiction Posted 20 hours ago Share Posted 20 hours ago 9 minutes ago, Matt1892 said: Anderson seems to have excelled by starting on a regular basis at Forest, compared to when he was here training with Bruno and Tonali. Or is he now excelling because he has been learning off Bruno and Tonali? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinky Posted 20 hours ago Share Posted 20 hours ago 21 minutes ago, Matt1892 said: Anderson seems to have excelled by starting on a regular basis at Forest, compared to when he was here training with Bruno and Tonali. Still hasnt scored a goal though....... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikky Posted 20 hours ago Share Posted 20 hours ago 28 minutes ago, Matt1892 said: Anderson seems to have excelled by starting on a regular basis at Forest, compared to when he was here training with Bruno and Tonali. For a then 17 year old, Miley had an incredible experience last season which was worth way more than a loan - he is a first team squad member so doesn’t require a loan - his only issues were that he was still physically developing - he’ll get his chance, in the meantime watch and learn from 2 fantastic players he gets to train with day in day out Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted 20 hours ago Share Posted 20 hours ago 55 minutes ago, Matt1892 said: Anderson seems to have excelled by starting on a regular basis at Forest, compared to when he was here training with Bruno and Tonali. Sure but it’s not a loan, he was ready to start in the PL (for a club with worse players). I don’t think us loaning players to good PL clubs is really going to be a thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted 20 hours ago Share Posted 20 hours ago 20 hours ago, Lotus said: Loans should be used to give players exposure and experience to different types of systems, physicality, pressure and levels of competitiveness. Training with excellent players doesn’t automatically make you an excellent player too anymore than sparring with top rate boxers automatically makes you a top fighter. You’ve got to do it yourself in the environment of serious competition. It Miley is behind JL, Longstaff and Willock (given I expect Bruno & Sandro to start if available) then minutes could be difficult for him. We play 3 in midfield and we have 5 other options. I would expect Miley to be 6th in the pecking order for starts, but to start cup games and get sub appearances in games where the scoreline allows it for the remainder of the season and until such a time where he overtakes the likes of Longstaff and Willock in the pecking order (he isn’t far behind as it is). Loaning him out without replacement (which we cannot afford) would be absolute madness imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted 20 hours ago Share Posted 20 hours ago It won’t be long before he overtakes Longstaff and possibly Willock (depending on the needs of the game). He’s certainly the best direct replacement for Bruno and Tonali in terms of style. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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